Get fuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked
“This isn’t going to stop,” Allen told the New York Times. “Art is dead, dude. It’s over. A.I. won. Humans lost.”
“But I still want to get paid for it.”
Art is dead, dude. It’s over. AI won. Humans lost.
me when I totally understand art and respect the medium I want people to give me clout for
Bazingas like to preach the boons of the bazinga tech, and if those boons are doubted or criticized, they go for inevitabilism instead.
I get that socialists will naturally be sympathetic to artists who often are not well compensated for their labor. However I think it’s also important that we understand that in order to make a living, independent artists rely heavily on intellectual property law. As such, they tend to want to categorize all AI art as unoriginal and derivative of existing works.
Unfortunately I think that’s a bit of a liberal argument. It ascribes some ineffable quality to human creativity that AI cannot replicate. In doing so it obfuscates the process by which the state creates and enforces a market for intellectual property. Therefore, I don’t think it’s particularly useful argument for socialists to make.
That’s not to say “AI” companies aren’t exploiting the work of unpaid artists. That is definitely still true. We just need to be advocating for solutions that go beyond what capitalist markets can offer.
Unfortunately I think that’s a bit of a liberal argument. It ascribes some ineffable quality to human creativity that AI cannot replicate.
every single time the AI argument comes down to this. “oh you just don’t trust AI cos youre a rube who believes in a soul” no motherfucker I’m just not some fucking anti-intellectual who has decided, apropros of NO research into neuroscience, that I know how the brain works and it MUST be analogous to something algorithm based machines can understand
you genuinely don’t know what you’re talking about, and you have to take so many intellectual shortcuts to derive your position that you are not worth taking seriously
every single time the AI argument comes down to this. “oh you just don’t trust AI cos youre a rube who believes in a soul” no motherfucker I’m just not some fucking anti-intellectual who has decided, apropros of NO research into neuroscience, that I know how the brain works and it MUST be analogous to something algorithm based machines can understand
you genuinely don’t know what you’re talking about, and you have to take so many intellectual shortcuts to derive your position that you are not worth taking seriously
As I said elsewhere, the “human intelligence is just a sufficient number of TI-88 calculators bolted together, actually” type of bazinga arguments (as often proclaimed by occult-tier techbros like “FrightfulHobgoblin”) may exist in part to belittle actual artists for the sake of boosting the treat printers (or the treat printer prompters) to artist status.
exist in part to belittle actual artists for the sake of boosting the treat printers (or the treat printer prompters) to artist status
that’s what’s so insane to me. for the longest time, STEM folk were all about ‘artists aren’t worth respecting’ ‘oh arts degree? just put the fries in the bag lmao’
then suddenly AI art comes about and then it’s ‘look at my art! AI makes better art than anyone and it’s imperative we dump everything into it! you must respect my AI art! you must treat me like an artiste’
and now that it’s clear it’s a grift, it’s ‘art is dead, we will never beat AI, artists are back to not worth respecting’
once again, tourists visiting every creative medium they can to try and find fresh rubes for their machine
then suddenly AI art comes about and then it’s ‘look at my art! AI makes better art than anyone and it’s imperative we dump everything into it! you must respect my AI art! you must treat me like an artiste’
I’ve seen that shit here too. Today.
I think the ideological core of it is the boosters want cheap treats, or even want to feel like artists as “prompt engineers,” and refuse to even acknowledge the costs and consequences and would rather shit on working-class artists, writers, and other imperiled people that are supposed to be comrades. No leftist I can respect goes there.
I don’t think it is a particularly ineffable quality though? It’s art because another human did it, and it really doesn’t have to be much deeper than that. That said, I do agree that intellectual property is ultimately blind alley. What most people don’t understand is that IP laws are only enforceable in the name of capital.
I think I disagree with the idea that art is art because a human did created it. I think art is art because it provides a particular kind of experience to us as humans. Whether or not a human made the art by hand, with a machine, or if it was simply an item someone found in nature it’s all still art. Even curating art is art.
That said AI art is still a product of human creativity. It’s abstracted by a few layers of technology sure and most of the people that build or use the models don’t know what good art is. However bad art is still art. People get drunk at paint nights and create shitty imitations of famous paintings but it’s still art as reticent as I am to admit it.
it’s art because another human did it, and it really doesn’t have to be much deeper than that.
The “human intelligence is just a sufficient number of TI-88 calculators bolted together, actually” type of bazinga arguments (as often proclaimed by occult-tier techbros like “FrightfulHobgoblin”) may exist in part to try to reject that idea.
Yeah I think what AI is exacerbating is the tension between creativity and commodity. Businesses don’t celebrate art, they seek profits. Images, articles, music, and whatever else are all simply products to sell under capitalism. Turning every artist into a copyright lawyer won’t change the fact that their creations are ultimately still commodities.
I see a lot of arguing over the definition of “art” but that’s beside the point. The problem is the entire bourgeois concept of property and the way capitalism impoverishes the working class so that they must spend their lives selling their labor.
We just need to be advocating for solutions that go beyond what capitalist markets can offer.
Most of the people posting here currently live under capitalism. Unless you have solutions you want to advocate for now that for some reason you left unsaid in your post, it sounds more like a “stop complaining” proposal.
That’s not what I’m saying though. It’s more that I think arguing for better protections under IP law is akin to participating in get out the vote campaigns for democrats. If the goal is to better conditions for working people including artists, neither of those avenues will lead you anywhere.
Again.
Post your your supposed “solutions” to advocate for.
Otherwise you still read like you’re a treat printer enjoyer that wants everyone to stop complaining, no matter how the planet burns.
the complaints need to not be shit that defends IP, which a lot of comments hexbears make end up doing
I haven’t seen that for some time, unless you’re broad brushing people that don’t like when artists stop getting commissions or lose their livelihoods entirely.
people are in this very thread saying that AI is “stealing” art. I fundamentally think that this reinforces the idea of IP
In the current economic system you’re saying that artists trying to get paid for making art should effectively cease to exist.
I mean I don’t mind artists setting up patreons or doing commission, but I also don’t really care if something they post publicly gets “stolen”
Nah this is lib shit.
Feel that way if you must, but I am explaining why a lot of people here aren’t quite as bazinga for the treat printers when it comes to driving artists entirely out of the craft because of economic precarity, consequently leading to even more expansion of the bland and bleak brave new world of treat printers.
“This isn’t going to stop,” Allen told the New York Times. “Art is dead, dude. It’s over. A.I. won. Humans lost.”
Good gravy. This isn’t far off at all from the inevitabilist bootlickery I sometimes see on Hexbear about this treat printer shit.
LLMs would just be tools, useful for a task, if it wasn’t for the hype-driven euphoria and venture capital momentum that is pushing to burn forests and turn lakes to dust in the drive to make ever larger data centers for reasons that range from arrogance to the occult.
As it stands, I give full uncritical support to yo ho ho everything that “prompt engineers” think is theirs because they pressed enter first.
Music, tattoos, n comics will never be taken over by ai what a twat
A lot of music is focus-grouped and has algorithms behind it because major labels want to turn it into a commodity. I’m not a musician so I forget what they are exactly, but there’s beats and music notes common in a lot of songs put there because they sell. Regardless, people will always want to hear live music. Nobody is going to pay hundreds of dollars to watch holograms of dead people.
But yeah. The camera did more damage to artists than AI ever has or will. If painting survived photography, it will survive AI slop.
Anti-intellectualism devaluing the arts and suppressing wages to below livable standards will kill art long before anything else.
Even if they somehow were, what good would it do? Who would even be around to enjoy the prompted floods of slop? What would distinguish it?
Famous AI Artist
Transformer based “AI” technology is not just a grift. While there is a lot of hype around it, it is also producing real results and has the potential to cause a massive devaluation of labor.
Fuck this dude though.
Only I am allowed to steal
Everyone’s a property rights absolutist until the rich demand you share with them.
Most artists are making millions of dollars and very few are starving. Come on artists, share the wealth!
I mean even if we disregard the AI art shit, this piece is so bland, fails the 3 second rule and has practically no direction or sense of light direction. Its like pouring fifty brands of cereals in a bowl of milk because you think more cereals=more good, except, no, fuckface, its just gonna turn into a disgusting, unpalatable mush that no one in their right mind would eat.
alsoJason M. Allen, an executive at a tabletop gaming startup,
get this fucking guy out of here hes a fucking bozo!
“Tabletop gaming startup” has to be a bit. Like there’s no way he’s getting venture capitalists to invest in Pokémon cards…r-right?
Physical NFTs!
I hope this and similar affairs turn into huge IP shitstorm which will explode straight into the faces of publishing mafia.
But i suspect they will just lobby legislation to copyright absolutely everything then give themselves the rights.
But I still want to get paid for it
If only there was an economic system that made it so he could make a good living regardless of the output of his work…
AI art just steals from other artists to make it’s own cursed style.
No such thing as AI artist bc their is no such thing as AI art.
I disagree that AI is “stealing” for the same reason I don’t think piracy is stealing. It’s true that everything AI produces is inherently derivative. However, intellectual property only exists as a set of market relationships enforced by the state. Even so, I would agree that artists are getting exploited. However, that’s because the market they are forced to engage with is controlled by capital and not because IP is a physical thing that can be stolen.
The zionist of Artistry
If I didn’t prompt the AI, someone else would have done it first
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literally
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get fucked 
All AI art has the exact same value as an NFT. I can copy-paste your image and make it mine, I can copy-paste your prompt and make it mine. Labour Theory of Value Gang stay winning.
