Please, stop fighting, Hexbear is a chaos unity site

How can we expect to defeat necro-capitalism and its corpse emperors without all our contradictory aspects?

The Great Game has only precluded this

Do you think dialectical thinking can only be applied to political economy? Genuinely asking cuz as I have learned more and more about it I keep seeing it everywhere lol. It’s also fun seeing western academia reinvent new dialectical forms of thinking over and over in spite of the dominant rabid anti-communism lol

To me, rly, it seems like an unfortunately-often-vague-and-misunderstood philosophical approach toward explaining the behavior and development of complex systems that can’t be described satisfactorily by the opposite approach of metaphysical methods based on external static, strictly categorized and consistent, solely-determining repeating relationships of cause and effect

Ofc Engels thought dialectics was more than just a mode of thought but something like the way reality functioned fundamentally (idk, I should go back and finish reading Anti-Duhring), didn’t he? Idk how you would reconcile this with modern physics butttt…

Have been thinking about a formal system of “”““dialectical””“” logic for a few years on and off, recently actually been reading more about the various paraconsistent formal logical systems created to address the many shortcomings of classical first-order logic (math nerds legit had to reinvent basic concepts of abstract math like a century ago cuz they couldn’t reconcile the fact that naive set theory is inconsistent and therefore proves everything is true according to that logic) since I got some meds for my ADHD that let me focus better lol. USSR actually had a Lysenko-type guy (“Ivan Orlov”, he uhhhh didn’t like Einstein’s theories of relativity among other things apparently, I just found a paper of his on some Russian crank website lol) for logic lol, turns out he was doing stuff with relevance logic before almost anyone else was (that is known). I’m very and I can’t find most of his publications cuz I don’t speak Russian and most of it is rly obscure but modal and relevance logics are pretty cool imo

Point of all of this being I think dialectics has many useful applications, especially to understand complex systems like this site lol

They have ARDS

Unending social murder

How many more will die to keep the blood-treats flowing?

Pls, not again

I just read it

Based rejecting irony, embracing sincerity

Idk maybe we are silly for liking the website and taking it seriously even if it helps us connect with other people, get through bad times, or realize we’re trans… butttt nahhhh actually lol, this idea that the only REAL, SERIOUS, NON-CRINGE social space is the Central Executive Committee of the Communist Party or something is much sillier

Tbh… you should repost it here under a CW spoiler, it’s seriously very heartfelt, maybe what we need

Did rly suck to see Carcosa be attacked so much in spite of all they do for the site :(

Were people misgendering them? I didn’t see any except one top-level post in the first thread which hopefully is removed now :(

I hate this, removing the tanks was supposed to help the exact type of toxicity that this has now become, and admins, mods, and users are all feeding into it

Frfr

I understand the intentions behind the original proposed change but this is just upsetting now :(

Gonna go touch grass (maybe, if my irl friend wants to go lol)

Btw @[email protected], I missed your reply to me in the first thread before it got locked, no hard feelings ofc You’re cool and am sorry if I caused any more stress for you, I’ve never had my decisions torn apart by thousands of replies before :/

We doing arbitraryness now

Oh it’s just a bit btw, also you can request to be banned too /sarcasm

Pure irony poisoned shit tbh, I don’t rly know what’s going on besides that

I have never seen it explicitly mentioned before yesterday, I only seen like admin/mod “back channels” or something similarly vague mentioned before

It’s not explicitly secret but there does seem to be this culture among the mod and admin team of an “inside circle”, inside which decisions are made and the process behind how and why they are made is usually left mostly unspecified but ofc the statements by mods for/against this change did kinda subvert that usual process. Tbh I’ve never seen anything like this in my like 2.5 years here lol

Ofc, the “inside circle” thing does make sense considering the site nearly imploded a few times during the first year due to wreckers abusing democratic structures and many of the changes that made this site cool did have to be forced through

Idk, it seems like something has gone very wrong for a decision like this to be made apparently unilaterally given the response

I am in favor of further misogyny and other brainworms purges ofc but the whole point of the tanks was so that people could block that stuff if they don’t wanna partake lol, now people just post stuff they wanna make fun of without writing an essay about it to other comms. Is just strange to me how this decision was made given the previous sentence

Also… was that Catradora on alts in the other threads? Is kinda like another open secret that she got banned for vicious anti-veganism and stuff but she’s still here, doing it on another acct now while being allowed to moderate and maybe using alts for when she wants to be explicitly ableist and transphobic (ofc I have no way to verify that other than what it seems like to me, I guess you would have to ask the lemmy.club admins for IP addresses lol). I don’t rly like this “unbanned by vibes and the mods/admins like you” approach, I know people know about this and people’s alts are around but it’s another one of those open secret things (Like also maybe Melina still being around and DM harassing people like before and only catching a 7 day ban???)

This is gonna sound rly online but idc anymore lol, it does remind me a little bit of a communist party. Like the wrecking and bad faith shit gets so bad that leadership becomes tighter and tighter to protect the party but eventually you can end up with the leadership being disconnected with the rest of the party’s feelings on stuff lol

Anyway, maybe I have the completely wrong view of what’s going on. Tbh I don’t rly know what’s going on and that’s kinda the problem, TC69 said she’s “taking the reigns” now, again after 3 years gone?? And now people are getting banned for “touching keyboard too much” or something?? Even if that’s true and it’s a still an obscure web forum we all enjoy, how does that look good to anyone besides making the admin who did it feel better lol

I understand the position the admin/mod team must be in though, it must be rly stressful to have your decisions torn apart by 1200+ replies. Carcosa replied to me earlier but I missed replying before the thread got locked, wanted to say no hard feelings lol. Sorry this got kinda long lol

Edit: omg I just looked in the modlog wtf lmao, see you on the other side if I get banned for this lol

Edit 2: slow ass site not showing me why, I see MOST of the bans were requested now lol

Got me for a sec lol, still looks rly bad tbh

I’m a mod and I wasn’t aware of the formerly?-secret mod chatroom until yesterday :/

Maybe Carcosa invited me after I applied and I forgot, am not sure

There is a secret /c/drugs mod chatroom but there’s no activity in there rly, biggest discussion was like picking the banner image lol

Ofc “my” comms don’t get a lot of activity, so I’m usually not doing any work lol

Just imagining what it would be like if the event in the second picture didn’t happen lmao

Silent admin coup

The Chernobyl, if they didn’t do anything about it when the reactor exploded, of toxicity (possibly, the comm, which actually does exist rn, is lockedthe reactor is still under construction)

Idk, maybe it is a good idea to do actual struggle seshes cuz this site can be rly white or brainwormed sometimes, but I wasn’t around during the era of /c/userunion or /c/theonecommwhereyoucouldpostwithanaltandgetunbannedpossibly lol

At least the tank comms had rules about posting other Hexbears in there lol

Entering my Red Guard era rn , WE MUST PURGE THE 4 OLDS FROM HEXBEAR

Like you said, it could just be spin, but there’s no good way that ends lol

Either Carcosa is spinning this so hard its basically lying to the other instance admins (who we have serious contradictions with and their instances, for very good reasons that removing the tanks will not resolve) which can only end with anyone who cares about Hexbear tankies and that drama finding out it was done for completely different reasons when they read this or… idk, the conspiracy thing

Idk I can respect the latter thing in its intentions somewhat but many of these admins are not worth reconciling with anyway lol

I have mixed feelings on this :/

Renaming is good but removing the tanks will probably just result in people posting the same content in /c/main or /c/chapotraphouse before it gets removed a few hrs later, depending on how hard the suppression of “dunking” is (I would say it should be total if we’re gonna do this)

The irony poisoning and occasional showing-of-brainworms has upset me before but I also have enjoyed a lot of tank-posting and learned a lot just from people ambiently coming together to shit on something as a community (and ofc I have participated sometimes) and if it ever got too much for me I could just block them for a while but idk… maybe a less debatey bear site is worth a try

But I also think just removing the comms won’t make people effortpost or whatever more lol, this is effectively a return to rule-8-dunk-tank with no dredge tank (we already had effortpost, and people cross-posted from the tanks to that if they had a rigorous takedown of some talking point)

Also sending these posts to /c/[email protected] is a rly bad idea, all it does is move the same dunking to a slightly more inaccessable space but more than that, we shouldn’t export our garbage to Lemmygrad hehehe (unless they want it lol)

.ue xu prubi’o pa lo cmicu’a

In Lojban, using English idioms like this is called a “malglico”, which you could read literally as something like “fucking English” :3

It def doesn’t work in Lojban but it isn’t like the worst idiom I’ve seen, I think

Nightmare

Oh, you’re an infinitist? Go ahead then, list every natural number

Nah but I just found out about constructivist mathematics lol

I have no idea what math nerds have been cooking rly, I was operating under the assumption most people agreed this was like a silly thought game we were all playing that has a tenuous connection to reality. Ofc I don’t know any math nerds irl to ask and I’m really soooo

I finally figured out Metamath and I was writing a proof for this kinda boring thing I’m pretty sure can be proven but I stopped cuz I started to feel like it was… pointless… like I’m just moving around other people’s symbols, idk. Maybe I’ll finish it tomorrow

Pls send theorems to prove (that I probably can’t prove or finish proving cuz I have no idea what I’m doing, but it does help that the Metamath database is pretty large), you can even send wrong ones without telling me cuz I can’t tell and I probably won’t look them up besides any syntax I don’t understand lol :3 , I suppose I could also disprove them ofc (which I guess is just another proof anyway) assuming they are syntactically valid and can be disproved ofc ofc

Beautiful, brave, thank you, you’re so brave, thank you

THIS is how KAMALA CAN STILL WIN:

All I can say is… lol, lmao even

Personally, I would have just not run a rabidly zionist and condescending campaign based on denying anything is wrong while increasingly ceding and more ground to the right

If we accept the axioms of the genocide calculus, it turns out that: |{ Americans | Americans who want to vote for 99% }| < |{ Americans | Americans who want to vote for 100% }| due to the Axiom of Americans Being Hitlerites Who Need to Imagine That They are Good People or something, idk I spend all day in Metamath and now my brain is melted

Proof? QED