• AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        19 days ago

        Seriously. I don’t want to be all “worker A deserves more than worker B” but you’re not wearing down your car’s engine if you’re reaching behind the bar for a bottle. Gig workers should get a 20 for the smallest order or you should get it yourself.

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          Tips should not even be asked for or expected with such services. Uber should be paying fair compensation based on number of deliveries and distance travelled. The customer is already paying a subscription fee and sometimes a delivery fee over that.

          I’ve heard that Uber subsidizes low tips to make sure orders get fulfilled if they’re not accepted by a driver in a reasonable time frame. Theoreretically the tip goes up gradually the longer the order sits in the unaccepted pool (with Uber paying the difference relative to the tip offered by the customer). Part of why they do it is to take advantage of FOMO from the driver who knows that there are others who may accept a lower tip and will feel pressure to accept lower than they usually would. Almost like a type of auction.

          Would be curious if someone who drives Uber could confirm that. Somehow people who tip $0 still get their food so there must be something to it.

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            I’ve heard that Uber subsidizes low tips to make sure orders get fulfilled if they’re not accepted by a driver in a reasonable time frame.

            Wait, is the implication here that you tip in advance?

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              Most delivery apps ask you to tip in advance and show varying amounts of information to the driver for them to make their decision on whether to accept it.

              Some show enough to where drivers can intuit someone is tipping $0 or a low amount for something very far away. You can add more to the tip after, but not tipping upfront gets you slower service because the drivers then prioritize other orders.

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                  Functionally, that’s exactly what it is. Drivers get paid a criminally low base rate for accepting deliveries, which is what gets raised the longer an order sits without someone accepting it, as the other user mentioned. It works practically the same as states that have $2 wages for servers that get made up with customer tips. You can tip $0 if you’re fine waiting an hour+ for someone to accept the order if you live in a larger city. There’s no incentive for drivers to accept lower paid orders. The solution isn’t to be Mr. Pink though, it’s to not use delivery apps, tip a decent amount with the knowledge that the drivers don’t get paid much, or work to regulate the industry to enforce reasonable minimums so that drivers don’t have to rely on tips, just like with restaurant servers.

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                18 days ago

                Huh, here our apps ask us for a tip after, and they’re also quite low. But also we’re a near zero tips culture and full time minimum wage is enough to build up savings

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                  18 days ago

                  That makes sense. I should have specified in the US, though most people probably got that through context.

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    Tipping 2.79 on a doordash/Uber eats order when you’re rich is ridiculous. I’ve delivered to people with a guest house, a pool, and 2 sports cars in the driveway for that kind of tip and it always pisses me off.

    Also low key racist talking about deporting the delivery driver.

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      19 days ago

      Why don’t they just bill him the cost of delivery then? Why are Americans so afraid of charging people the cost of doing business and then get all pissy if they don’t get paid what they believe to be the cost of doing business?

      Fuck this delivery company.

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        Because by not including the price of labor in the price tag, the company allows customers who are more willing to buy a product if they can stuff the worker more access to the goods and services they’re selling.

        This let’s the collude with bad or non-tippers to stiff the worker.

        We absolutely must not give a pass to shitty people who are “anti-tipping” but continue to shop at industries that run on tips.

        EDIT: I actually want to be more explicit here, fuck you specifically if this is your attitude frazorth, and fuck anyone who agrees with you. The “Americans” deciding to let you steal from their employees by letting you pay them or not, instead of requiring you to pay that extra money and then passing it on to the employee are absolutely at fault, but if you fly over here and expect not to tip the desperate workers who are waiting on you hand and foot in restaurants, hotels, and on delivery apps, I hope you choke on your food and fail to make it back to nonce Island.

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          What? Are you alright, it looks like your having a bit of a breakdown.

          Its my fault that NonceSA doesnt pay its employees?

          And you’ve decided that I wouldn’t pay the driver because I said fuck the delivery company for not paying them?

          What a bellend.

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              They’re not a thief because they don’t live in an economy that requires tipping; they’re an outsider looking in on American tipping culture and criticising it.

              You Americans should tip because your economy demands it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not stupid.

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        19 days ago

        Even as a consumer you would want service and taxes to be included in the posted price of whatever you’re buying. It must be really annoying not being able to predict what something will actually cost you simply by looking at it’s price tag.

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          Yeah but not as annoying as stressing about making your rent paying because some Mr. Pink asshole decides to steal your wages by “making a stand” against tipping (while patronizing the restaurant that pays its workers a sub minimum wage with the expectation that anyone eating there will tip).

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                18 days ago

                You just voted for the paedo orange who ran on a platform of fuck the workers.

                My position is that this is shit and that people should be paid for the work they do.

                Tipping is a bandage over employee abuse, the delivery company should be in jail at a minimum, guillotine is preferable.

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                  You just voted for the paedo orange who ran on a platform of fuck the workers.

                  I’m a communist, I did not vote for Donald Trump.

                  My position is that this is shit and that people should be paid for the work they do.

                  Yeah, but your position is also that waitresses shouldn’t “get pissy” about it if some prick stiffs them right?

                  Tipping is a bandage over employee abuse, the delivery company should be in jail.

                  Yes. But the customer using the service and declining to pay for it belongs in jail just as much.

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            Absolutely. Workers should not be tipped but currently they are tipped so not tipping as a customer is essentially stealing from underpaid workers. Tipping can not end with individual consumer bullshit, it takes union action or government intervention.

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      If you ever want to get mad, you can look up what proportion of workers are in minimum wage jobs, take a rough estimate of their aggregate income, and compare it to GDP.

      About 40% of every price tag goes to labor. About 7% of that same price tag goes to low-wage labor, which makes up half the workforce.

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          Just a guess here but I’m pretty sure mosts businesses calculate labor costs as the costs they pay their own employees, but looking at labor costs as a means to analyze society means you probably need to include the labor portion of services they receive from other companies (delivery drivers, factory workers who make the business’s machines, ag workers who planted and hargested the food, marketing guys who come up with ad campaigns for them, etc) if counting whenever someone is getting a wage or salary somewhere in the supply chain, I could see the number being way higher than what the business owner defines it as.

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          Material and shipping cost components are each just a sum of labor + surplus. For almost everything, someone somewhere is working to make it happen and receiving a wage for it.

          I did a bunch of the math here. I just realized I was calculating based on an average of 20 hours a week at minimum wage jobs, which is probably too low, so I fixed it; the figure would be somewhere between 8% and 12%.

          I got the total wage disbursement from either the Fed or the Treasury. Later on, though, I realized that this figure only applied to companies, and I’d neglected to account for proprietorships and partnerships where the owner-operators are not paid a wage. So I looked up the revenues from each, and each is a little over $1 trillion. That still comes out to less than 50% of GDP. And if only $13T-14T of $29T goes to wages, that’s still about 53% going to capitalists.

          It also does not include the informal economy, and that’s a lot harder to quantify, but I make the assumption that there are no key stages of production that fall into the informal economy. Otherwise, there would be substantial traceable tax fraud.

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    Libs are going to finally admit that the economy is fucked because their guy isn’t decaying in the Oval Office

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    everybody talking about the tip like that “service fee” ain’t right there

    service deez nuts, shake shack

    death penalty to all involved in “delivery fees” that don’t get paid to the driver

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      Drivers should be salaried, not tipped.

      Service fees should be included in the price of the goods purchased and/or the delivery.

      Taxes should be included in the prices posted to consumers.

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      18 days ago

      If he does it himself then he can give himself a tip afterwards. I’d suggest a hollow-point but whatever get the job done, y’know?