Why don’t they just bill him the cost of delivery then? Why are Americans so afraid of charging people the cost of doing business and then get all pissy if they don’t get paid what they believe to be the cost of doing business?
Even as a consumer you would want service and taxes to be included in the posted price of whatever you’re buying. It must be really annoying not being able to predict what something will actually cost you simply by looking at it’s price tag.
Yeah but not as annoying as stressing about making your rent paying because some Mr. Pink asshole decides to steal your wages by “making a stand” against tipping (while patronizing the restaurant that pays its workers a sub minimum wage with the expectation that anyone eating there will tip).
Absolutely. Workers should not be tipped but currently they are tipped so not tipping as a customer is essentially stealing from underpaid workers. Tipping can not end with individual consumer bullshit, it takes union action or government intervention.
Why are Americans so afraid of charging people the cost of doing business and then get all pissy if they don’t get paid what they believe to be the cost of doing business?
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Yeah, but your position is also that waitresses shouldn’t “get pissy” about it if some prick stiffs them right?
Not in the slightest, I’m saying that businesses are not charging for delivery and then getting pissy.
Those who do the work should be paid, the people getting pissy is door dash (or whoever etc) by refusing to pay these people unless the customer gifts them extra. Tips are not wages, however while you are stuck I’m this situation then pay them through your tips (and fuck those that don’t)
If there is a lack of money to pay a person for the time they spent though this shitty system then door dash should make up the difference. The list of CxO income clearly shows that doordash makes enough to pay its workers, its purely choice they are not.
Next step should be molotov’s until they change their policy.
Because by not including the price of labor in the price tag, the company allows customers who are more willing to buy a product if they can stuff the worker more access to the goods and services they’re selling.
This let’s the collude with bad or non-tippers to stiff the worker.
We absolutely must not give a pass to shitty people who are “anti-tipping” but continue to shop at industries that run on tips.
EDIT: I actually want to be more explicit here, fuck you specifically if this is your attitude frazorth, and fuck anyone who agrees with you. The “Americans” deciding to let you steal from their employees by letting you pay them or not, instead of requiring you to pay that extra money and then passing it on to the employee are absolutely at fault, but if you fly over here and expect not to tip the desperate workers who are waiting on you hand and foot in restaurants, hotels, and on delivery apps, I hope you choke on your food and fail to make it back to nonce Island.
They’re not a thief because they don’t live in an economy that requires tipping; they’re an outsider looking in on American tipping culture and criticising it.
You Americans should tip because your economy demands it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not stupid.
Agreed. Do you also think that people who use the services provided by door dash, but refuse to pay the delivery drivers (by refusing to tip) should also be punished, or should the drivers not get so pissy about those people?
Why are Americans so afraid of charging people the cost of doing business and then get all pissy if they don’t get paid what they believe to be the cost of doing business?
In this quote who is the “they” who is not being paid? What does it mean that they’re “getting all pissy?”
Here’s my interpretation:
“they” are a worker who is dependent on tips
“get all pissy” means to get upset, and has a negative connotation, like the person is being unreasonable by being so upset
I feel like I’m being fucked with here because this is pretty clearly, to my eyes, treating the plight of the person who was stiffed as something trivial. Treating the suffering of someone who was wronged as trivial pretty clearly to me is defending the person who wronged them.
If you ever want to get mad, you can look up what proportion of workers are in minimum wage jobs, take a rough estimate of their aggregate income, and compare it to GDP.
About 40% of every price tag goes to labor. About 7% of that same price tag goes to low-wage labor, which makes up half the workforce.
Just a guess here but I’m pretty sure mosts businesses calculate labor costs as the costs they pay their own employees, but looking at labor costs as a means to analyze society means you probably need to include the labor portion of services they receive from other companies (delivery drivers, factory workers who make the business’s machines, ag workers who planted and hargested the food, marketing guys who come up with ad campaigns for them, etc) if counting whenever someone is getting a wage or salary somewhere in the supply chain, I could see the number being way higher than what the business owner defines it as.
Material and shipping cost components are each just a sum of labor + surplus. For almost everything, someone somewhere is working to make it happen and receiving a wage for it.
I did a bunch of the math here. I just realized I was calculating based on an average of 20 hours a week at minimum wage jobs, which is probably too low, so I fixed it; the figure would be somewhere between 8% and 12%.
I got the total wage disbursement from either the Fed or the Treasury. Later on, though, I realized that this figure only applied to companies, and I’d neglected to account for proprietorships and partnerships where the owner-operators are not paid a wage. So I looked up the revenues from each, and each is a little over $1 trillion. That still comes out to less than 50% of GDP. And if only $13T-14T of $29T goes to wages, that’s still about 53% going to capitalists.
It also does not include the informal economy, and that’s a lot harder to quantify, but I make the assumption that there are no key stages of production that fall into the informal economy. Otherwise, there would be substantial traceable tax fraud.
Paying more to the government for sales tax than to the worker actually getting the food to you is so shitty. Fuck this dude.
Why don’t they just bill him the cost of delivery then? Why are Americans so afraid of charging people the cost of doing business and then get all pissy if they don’t get paid what they believe to be the cost of doing business?
Fuck this delivery company.
Even as a consumer you would want service and taxes to be included in the posted price of whatever you’re buying. It must be really annoying not being able to predict what something will actually cost you simply by looking at it’s price tag.
Yeah but not as annoying as stressing about making your rent paying because some Mr. Pink asshole decides to steal your wages by “making a stand” against tipping (while patronizing the restaurant that pays its workers a sub minimum wage with the expectation that anyone eating there will tip).
Absolutely. Workers should not be tipped but currently they are tipped so not tipping as a customer is essentially stealing from underpaid workers. Tipping can not end with individual consumer bullshit, it takes union action or government intervention.
I never said I wouldn’t tip them.
I said they should get paid.
Don’t justify theft if you don’t want people to call you a thief.
You just voted for the paedo orange who ran on a platform of fuck the workers.
My position is that this is shit and that people should be paid for the work they do.
Tipping is a bandage over employee abuse, the delivery company should be in jail at a minimum, guillotine is preferable.
I’m a communist, I did not vote for Donald Trump.
Yeah, but your position is also that waitresses shouldn’t “get pissy” about it if some prick stiffs them right?
Yes. But the customer using the service and declining to pay for it belongs in jail just as much.
I’m obviously doing a poor job communicating.
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Not in the slightest, I’m saying that businesses are not charging for delivery and then getting pissy.
Those who do the work should be paid, the people getting pissy is door dash (or whoever etc) by refusing to pay these people unless the customer gifts them extra. Tips are not wages, however while you are stuck I’m this situation then pay them through your tips (and fuck those that don’t)
If there is a lack of money to pay a person for the time they spent though this shitty system then door dash should make up the difference. The list of CxO income clearly shows that doordash makes enough to pay its workers, its purely choice they are not.
Next step should be molotov’s until they change their policy.
Because by not including the price of labor in the price tag, the company allows customers who are more willing to buy a product if they can stuff the worker more access to the goods and services they’re selling.
This let’s the collude with bad or non-tippers to stiff the worker.
We absolutely must not give a pass to shitty people who are “anti-tipping” but continue to shop at industries that run on tips.
EDIT: I actually want to be more explicit here, fuck you specifically if this is your attitude frazorth, and fuck anyone who agrees with you. The “Americans” deciding to let you steal from their employees by letting you pay them or not, instead of requiring you to pay that extra money and then passing it on to the employee are absolutely at fault, but if you fly over here and expect not to tip the desperate workers who are waiting on you hand and foot in restaurants, hotels, and on delivery apps, I hope you choke on your food and fail to make it back to nonce Island.
What? Are you alright, it looks like your having a bit of a breakdown.
Its my fault that NonceSA doesnt pay its employees?
And you’ve decided that I wouldn’t pay the driver because I said fuck the delivery company for not paying them?
What a bellend.
Don’t justify theft if you don’t want people to call you a thief.
They’re not a thief because they don’t live in an economy that requires tipping; they’re an outsider looking in on American tipping culture and criticising it.
You Americans should tip because your economy demands it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not stupid.
Fine, they’re just pro thief.
They just think that impoverished victims of theft should shut the fuck up about it.
I think the leadership of doordash should be rounded up and shot.
https://www1.salary.com/DoorDash-Inc-Executive-Salaries.html
Keith Yandell $4.8 m
Prabir Adarkar $15.9 m
Tia Sherringham $12.6 m
Ravi Inukonda $12.6 m
$44.9 million a year between just 4 of the exec board. Fuck them.
I think that Door dash as an example makes quite a lot of money, and they should pay their drivers.
Agreed. Do you also think that people who use the services provided by door dash, but refuse to pay the delivery drivers (by refusing to tip) should also be punished, or should the drivers not get so pissy about those people?
I don’t see that in their comment at all.
I’m going to quote their comment
In this quote who is the “they” who is not being paid? What does it mean that they’re “getting all pissy?”
Here’s my interpretation:
“they” are a worker who is dependent on tips
“get all pissy” means to get upset, and has a negative connotation, like the person is being unreasonable by being so upset
I feel like I’m being fucked with here because this is pretty clearly, to my eyes, treating the plight of the person who was stiffed as something trivial. Treating the suffering of someone who was wronged as trivial pretty clearly to me is defending the person who wronged them.
If you ever want to get mad, you can look up what proportion of workers are in minimum wage jobs, take a rough estimate of their aggregate income, and compare it to GDP.
About 40% of every price tag goes to labor. About 7% of that same price tag goes to low-wage labor, which makes up half the workforce.
Labour costs are a relatively small component of the few products I’ve looked at - do you have anything I can read further?
Just a guess here but I’m pretty sure mosts businesses calculate labor costs as the costs they pay their own employees, but looking at labor costs as a means to analyze society means you probably need to include the labor portion of services they receive from other companies (delivery drivers, factory workers who make the business’s machines, ag workers who planted and hargested the food, marketing guys who come up with ad campaigns for them, etc) if counting whenever someone is getting a wage or salary somewhere in the supply chain, I could see the number being way higher than what the business owner defines it as.
Material and shipping cost components are each just a sum of labor + surplus. For almost everything, someone somewhere is working to make it happen and receiving a wage for it.
I did a bunch of the math here. I just realized I was calculating based on an average of 20 hours a week at minimum wage jobs, which is probably too low, so I fixed it; the figure would be somewhere between 8% and 12%.
I got the total wage disbursement from either the Fed or the Treasury. Later on, though, I realized that this figure only applied to companies, and I’d neglected to account for proprietorships and partnerships where the owner-operators are not paid a wage. So I looked up the revenues from each, and each is a little over $1 trillion. That still comes out to less than 50% of GDP. And if only $13T-14T of $29T goes to wages, that’s still about 53% going to capitalists.
It also does not include the informal economy, and that’s a lot harder to quantify, but I make the assumption that there are no key stages of production that fall into the informal economy. Otherwise, there would be substantial traceable tax fraud.