• DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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      Especially when it isn’t “learn history” so much as it is “Ignore every part of history that conflicts with my simplistic pop-culture view of history.”

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    Imagine if, during the American civil war, Britain came in just as the south was about to loose, and then burned down every single structure in the north and killed 20+% of the population. Then went on to tell everyone how the North were actually the bad guys.

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    The more I learn about actual history, the more I realize that History ™️ is a lot like relying on cops body cameras to learn what happened:

    “repression by Syngman Rhee?”

    cop Camera was switched off

    “Jeju Uprising?”

    cop Camera was blocked by my uniform

    “When the South invaded the North?”

    cop Camera was malfunctioning

    “When the North continued south to liberate it?”

    cop When they violently invaded without provocation? I guess it was just a loose connection 'cause we got great footage of that!

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    Amerikkka draws a big line down the middle of Korea with a crayon

    soypoint-1🇰🇵🇰🇷 soypoint-2

    KOREA HAS INVADED ITSELF AND IT’S UP TO AMERIKKKA TO SAVE THEM FROM THEMSELVES BY

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    INVADING, GIVING MONEY AND WEAPONS TO A FASCIST DICTATOR WHO COLLABORATED WITH THE JAPANESE, AND LEVELING ALL CITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE NORTH AND PURGING SOCIALISTS/COMMUNISTS/ANARCHISTS FROM THE SOUTH AND TURNING THE SOUTH INTO A VASSAL STATE AND GLORIFIED UNITED STATES MILITARY BASE AND PRIVATIZING THEIR ECONOMY AND…

    Liberals: This is progressive and defensive against proletarian imperialism!

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      Amerikkka draws a big line down the middle of Korea with a crayon

      This is reductive. The line wasn’t unilaterally drawn by American troops, it was the agreed-upon meeting place for the US and Soviet allies. Then the US wouldn’t play ball with organizing free and fair elections (they insisted on banning left-wing parties).

      Far more productive in talking with Liberals is bringing up that North Korea was the higher GDP, higher life expectancy, and whatnot up until the 90s, and that it was

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      The collapse of Soviet economic support and the end of the military junta in South Korea that is to blame for the DRPK’s woes, not it’s socialism.

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        and the end of the military junta in South Korea that is to blame for the DRPK’s woes

        Interesting, could you expand more on this point?

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          I don’t have the exact dates, but South Korea gets framed as having always been this multiparty liberal democracy when it was a right wing military dictatorship into the 90s.

          People often want to frame North Korea as being behind, less developed, and whatnot, and will insinuate its inherent to its government structure. But, life expectancy, education, and economics in the North all outpaced the South while both countries were totalitarian and authoritarian.

          Then, economic liberalisation in the south lead to a stronger economy that created the popular image of South Korea in people’s minds today, meanwhile the Soviet Union collapsed, meaning that the North’s economic security was weakened as it lost a trading partner and ally.

          The metrics that people point to now as evidence of why North Korea is a “bad” country only came about within the last few decades, even though much of those same metrics have been true for capitalist countries for far longer.

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    im gonna declare a new country called ‘Sink TERF island’ in Essex and claim England invaded it so america will go to war with england. Wish me luck!

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    I saw this and gave him an upvote in solidarity. I was gonna comment but don’t really wanna deal with contrarian bullshit stress today.

    I’m reading Killing Hope in chunks and according to that text, it’s unsure who did what to start the actual Korean War but it sounded a lot like the whole ass scenario was basically a powder keg waiting for any spark.

    I’ve also read that a majority of the population was for communism.

    I also read that McCarthy tried to unexist all of North Korea until China intervened since the US was shitting all over their doorstep.

    People say “learn history” as if there isn’t 4 different accounts depending on what narrative you are after.

    Like sure guy, what history do I need to learn to satisfy your western take on a situation that happened on the other side of the planet 40 years before you were born?

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    Even if they did do an invasion, the proportional response is not deliberately firebombing every man, woman and child then bragging about it. That’s literally just genocide.

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    Yeah they got pushed to the other big instances when we got ml and ee.

    It would be cool to press into one that is pissed about it’s Nazi problem and wants to do something about it (beehaw, maybe blahaj).

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      Both of those spaces literally don’t want us there despite the fact that it’s INCREDIBLY obvious that when you purge the left from your spaces you inevitably shift absolutely all participation in your space massively rightwards along with kicking out all the people who are actively involved and motivated to counter the far right.

      They did this to themselves.