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        The issue with the kids (teens to early twenties really) is that they’re totally naive and absolutely oblivious to the idea that anyone around them is actively plotting or pulling clandestine shit. They believe they’re invulnerable too.

        It takes some pretty fucked up life events for people to sharpen up and realise that there are just some people around who are actively doing bad shit and you need to have your head on a swivel for them. This is a life experience issue.

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          Yep, I’ve been victim of that too. Especially when shit’s actually happening. That’s the easiest time to just start doing stuff and trusting people who say they’re on your side. It’s easy to let your guard down and if there’s one thing capitalists and their cronies know how to do, it’s take advantage of people through lies and deciet.

          Be weary of backstabbers and wreckers kids, they come out of the woodwork when shit goes down. The Judas parable was a warning.

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      At first I doubted this, but then I started thinking about the people driving the Russian rev in 1917 and they were pretty much all 30+ or even older.

      Same thing in Cuba. China was also a bunch of olds even before the CPC was established and they were just overthrowing the Qing dynasty.

      I’ve never really thought too hard about this, but it’s interesting considering there’s a common belief in many leftist circles (particularly anarchists it seems) that people over ~25 can’t be trusted. I guess that sort of makes sense, older people (especially in the imperial core) are much more attached to the status quo.

      Now I’m wondering if the feds managed to plant this idea as a way to keep people disorganized and further divide the proletariat or if we just suck at thinking long-term

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        it’s not about the age, it’s about the advertising, you don’t want a “youth revolution” or a “revolution started by gen xyz for freedom and democracy” you want a socialist revolution, you want a anti-colonial revolution. The guys in Burkina Faso were very young, but they labeled themselves as a revolution against colonialism that follows the steps of Thomas Sankara.

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          yes, we don’t want a revolution without no ideology, otherwise, in our neoliberal dominated world, the neolibs will dominate.

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            A color revolution is like a surgery with no surgeon, there’s a sickness in the state and you need an operation, so you just stab the state and leave it open in the street hoping there’s someone in the street who can do the rest. The CIA and NGOs in this metaphor are a backstreet “surgeon” who are selling the organs of the state.

            ^ not an analysis but an expression of frustration.

      • I’ve always heard it as “don’t trust anyone over 30” and associated it with the hippies who are the quintessential co-opted social movement.

        I never thought of it before but this phrase of “don’t trust your elders” is essentially a way of saying “trust every revolution except the ones that succeed”

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        Mao made pretty good use of the youth in the cultural revolution but that was not a particularly good event either.

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        We seriously need a push for independence from us media.

        I’m hearing trump talking points here in Norway. 19 year olds thinking they know how corporate taxes work.

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    As soon as I read that they ran an election on Discord, knew it was all bullshit.

    What normal person in Tibet is on Discord so they can “vote”

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      All they gotta do is push the right people to step in after the genuine uprising.

      DO NOT BOTHER OVERTHROWING YOUR GOVERNMENT IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A DEMOCRATIC CENTRALIST COMMUNIST VANGUARD PARTY READY TO TAKE POWER

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        unfortunately, there is none ready to take power, because the status ante gov’t was the DemCent ML vanguard parties in coalition, and the minority MLs outside of it - well, they were sidelined cuz they looked like the recently-overthrown establishment.

        So far, now, the only South Asian Communist Party that is at least okay to rule is the Sinhalese-majority JVP, which thankfully rules Sri Lanka after such revolt.

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    You mean the protests that used discord to elect their leaders and destroyed the hammer and sickle are pro-western?

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      Less communist and more socdem parties riddled with corruption, the concession to Liberal Democracy has been the fatal mistake the Nepalese people made, the founders of the electoral party being the biggest traitors.

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        Yeah I know, them having elections where a socdem party could win is the clearest signal that they had lost the plot. I hope the juche faction can make it big now, because the central government will be on their tail.

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          Both the “communist” parties are themselves socdems, that was known the day these traitors swore to and signed in the borgeois constitution themselves, they privatized public lands and siphoned money meant for the maoist guerillas.

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    I’m here yet again to remind people that Brian Berletic is a far right source.

    I’ll not even defending the Nepal protests. But it can’t be hard to find a source that isn’t a chud if it’s legit.

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      If I had to count the amount of times Lemmygraders decided to follow Brian Berletic more than they should

      I would count two times

      One, regarding Philippines, recently

      baffled_and_aghast decided to indicate it was in our interests to critically support pro-US Bongbong Marcos, out of mere idealism and contrarianism to potential color revolution from left libs like Leni Robredo (they suck too but I don’t see a meaningful difference between her and Bongbong Marcos who’s practically liberal) and just NGOs like Tindig

      Two, and I think you remember, regarding Cambodia-Thailand

      Comprehensive49 was trying to argue that Cambodia was pro-US because their economy was dependent on exports to US (never mind China doing the same)

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        What you’re saying sounds reasonable. I have to be fair and admit that I don’t know anything about the Philippines nor the Thai-Cambodia conflict. I just wish that Berletic had the same humility, there’s no way that he has enough depth of knowledge to judge so many countries’ political turmoil so succinctly. Everything he does seems to come from Google searches.

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      Unfortunately “multipolarity” grifters are pretty easy, they get to benefit from US incompetence and generaly just being far easier to just say “evil thing = US conspiracy” and get a lot of people excited. As you well note you don’t even have to be a leftist at all because its just far easier to just agree with the message and ignore the source, specialy if the message is particularly comforting and what we want to hear.

      I used to follow these people much more closely years ago, what they were saying about Russia-Ukraine was correct but that quickly became problematic when you see where their real interests line. All those pro-Russia chuds who jerk off to “multipolarity” which is realy just Russian chauvinism and nationalism. Where was a communist ever supposed to believe in this shit? The cold war was literaly about ONE polarity i.e the communist complete liberation of the working class worldwide under one cause NOT these sub-imperialist fascists dividing up the world into their own backyard as the US loses influence.

      But again, in that context, just hearing US BAD and this is the only hope because anti-US equals good no matter what can be comfortable at first. But ultimately personally I definitely realized they have absolutely no skin in this game because Palestine was the litmus test and just saying US bad while jerking off to multipollarity shit(e.g BRICS grifters) doesn’t actually help anyone.

      As someone who used to give a lot more credit to these slime fucks, I just think unless they were out there demanding Russia and China actualy do something after Oct 7th and throughout 2024 they can go fuck themselves with their multipolarity shit, yeah go write a substack about how Russia and China are just following the great master plan and how this is day 126417th of the continued US defeat towards multipolarity(basicaly every Mercouris video lol) while jerking off how Great Russia got it so good right now.

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    i think it’s just you search for “qualified” you get ngo types (especially with gpt, lmao). they don’t have ideas what they want, they have ideas what they don’t want. color revolutions, at least, have agitators from these ngo-s agitating, not government self fumbling in 3 days.

    color revolutions, by contrast have the same “what they don’t want” + tighter nato integration/free trade/eu whatever the fuck thing not making any sense with their grievances

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    If the ministry of the interior gets taken by an NGO freak it’s all over.

    I’m a bit skeptical that this was a color revolution, though. I think USAID would have trouble really penetrating this movement when it came out of the blue in a country that was already aligned with the West. Seems more likely that these people are getting positions because their NGOs are some of the most technically qualified orgs in the country.

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    A protest movement that toppled a government without flying hammer and sickle flags kinda gave it away, there have been general strikes lead by communists in Nepal in the last decade

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    Frankly, if you could be overthrown by a bunch of NGO dipshits AFTER THE US CUT THEIR FUNDING, then you were asking for it and probably collaborated to make it more likely to happen

    At a certain point the maliciousness of the enemy stops becoming the crucial element and instead incompetence becomes the main problem

    • That’s harsh but makes sense - if even Cuba can avoid being affected heavily by color revolution, despite the economic blockade and NGOs flowing in - it makes for not much of an excuse, doesn’t it.

      The thing with color revolutions is that they often exploit the enemy’s lack of better alternative, eh?

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      I doubt the youth revolution itself was entirely US caused or a full colour revolution, likely it was just a generic “anti-corruption” protests who possibly got aid that did not have any actual goal and the army quite easily took advantage of it.

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      immigration, identity stuff, police oversight, prisons, disaster response, that kind of thing

      edit: found their website
      machine translation in the spoiler

      long
      1. Internal security and peace and order policy, law, standards, plan implementation and regulation;
      2. Information collection, analysis, use, coordination and security management of special persons, important sites, buildings, structures, diplomatic missions and highways;
      3. Laws, supervision and coordination related to the union and provinces;
      4. Crime prevention and control policy, law, standards and regulation;
      5. Crime investigation and records of crime investigation;
      6. International, regional coordination and cooperation related to crime control;
      7. Extradition law, treaties, agreements and implementation;
      8. Citizenship policy, law, implementation and regulation;
      9. Laws related to family matters (marriage, property transfer, divorce, endangered, orphans, adopted sons, adopted daughters and joint families);
      10. Policy, law, standards, implementation and regulation related to age, name and caste correction;
      11. Policies, laws, standards, implementation, control and regulation related to the use of weapons, ammunition and explosives;
      12. Policies, laws, standards, coordination and regulation related to victims of torture;
      13. Policies, laws and standards related to preventive detention, prison and custody management;
      14. Interprovincial transfer of accused, detainees and prisoners;
      15. Policies, laws and management related to refugee affairs;
      16. Policies, laws, standards and regulations related to property acquisition, land acquisition, acquisition and compensation;
      17. Policies, laws, standards and regulations related to lottery and gambling control;
      18. National policies, laws, standards, implementation and regulation related to disaster management;
      19. Establishment and operation of the National Disaster Fund and cooperation and coordination in the Provincial Disaster Fund;
      20. Punishment, pardon, suspension and change;
      21. Elections and referendums;
      22. Management of public holidays, celebrations, ceremonies, etc.;
      23. Liaison and coordination with Interpol and international police organizations;
      24. Protection and promotion of human rights and civil liberties;
      25. Cooperation and coordination in international peacekeeping operations;
      26. Security of international borders, border posts, border administration and security of international borders;
      27. Control of armed insurgency, financial and organized crime, terrorist activities and activities of illegal organizations and prevention of landmines;
      28. Collection, exchange, analysis, use and protection of information of public interest and importance;
      29. National identity card management policies, laws, standards, implementation and regulation;
      30. Management, regulation, control and documentation of the entry, presence, activities and departure of foreign citizens;
      31. Immigration;
      32. Coordination of the supply of essential goods or services;
      33. Titles, honors and decorations and decorations;
      34. Relief and rehabilitation of conflict victims and displaced persons;
      35. Financial assistance;
      36. Drug control;
      37. Religious matters, pilgrimage sites and pilgrims;
      38. Welfare and unclaimed wealth;
      39. Prevention of undesirable behavior in public places, control of drugs, public crime;
      40. Regulation and control of public donation collection;
      41. National and international coordination and liaison on home administration (prisons, peace and order, narcotics, disaster management, extradition, etc.);
      42. Election Commission;
      43. Nepal Pahari;
      44. Armed Police Force, Nepal;
      45. Police welfare;
      46. Police library;
      47. Investigation and investigation of disputes, incidents related to public matters;
      48. Traffic control and management and coordination of government vehicles;
      49. Treaties, agreements, liaison and coordination with national and international organizations related to the Ministry;
      50. Operation and regulation of public institutions, authorities, committees, institutions, etc. related to the Ministry;
      51. Matters not falling under the division of functions of other ministries.