Beria was a certified gem poster

srs

Unironically should’ve been executed for this ngl

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      20·
      6 days ago

      Chinese Nationalist and Chinese Communist zone

      For some insane reason Beria wanted to give Munich to the nationalists though? In Taiwermany? Unless I’m misreading this.

      • Tervell [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        20·
        6 days ago

        yeah, Dresden goes to the CPC and Munich and its environs (most of Southern Bavaria, really) goes to the KMT, for… some reason

        honestly, he should have gone full hog and given them neighboring regions so the resumed Chinese Civil War can be fought on German territory

      • SoyViking [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        10·
        6 days ago

        Maybe the idea was to make the occupation of Germany more internationally representative? Which would have been… OK I guess?

        • Drewfro66@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          3·
          5 days ago

          At the time, the Soviet Union had relatively friendly relations with the RoC and recognized them as the legitimate government of China.

  • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    20·
    6 days ago

    This is absolutely bonkers. I don’t even know where to start.

    I’m glad he got basically no influence whatsoever in the actualy outcomes because we could be arguing over some really really stupid shit if people didn’t reject his nonsense.

  • Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.netEnglish
    19·
    6 days ago

    I like this except the inflicting of germans on other places, just leave them there under the multinational occupations. Half the french zone should be algerian or syrian to replicate the british-british-indian split as well

    • imogen_underscore [it/its, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      24·
      6 days ago

      my impression is that it’s real but haven’t looked that deep into it. there’s accounts of Stalin being freaked out that his daughter was alone with him iirc? also being real it’s understandable that a guy suited for that position would have those kinds of tendencies. im sure it gets exaggerated and dramatised and stuff but it’s pretty believable to me.

      • REgon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        13·
        6 days ago

        Yeah I did too, but apparently that’s red scare propaganda. Or allegedly, since I don’t have the sources anymore, but I know someone here does

    • Dolores [love/loves]@hexbear.netEnglish
      7·
      6 days ago

      i trawled r/askhistorians, i can’t account for beria’s #1 fan living in a georgian bunker and printing defenses on a far right russian forum but:

      cw:sv

      spoiler

      Many other people, both associates and victims, gave testimony as well, and the scenario that emerged, as in the Zhemchuzhina case back in 1949, came to focus on his sex life, with lurid allegations of multipleremoveds, forcible abduction of young women from the street, and so on. Although this subsequently entered into Soviet folklore, the story of Beria as a sexual predator seems, though not wholly unfounded, to have been wildly exaggerated. His own account under interrogation of how he conducted his relations with the women he had affairs with, including a young one picked out on the street for him by a subordinate, is basically supported by that of a singer claiming to have been his mistress, after catching his eye during a performance, who described seduction (admittedly under intimidating circumstances) rather thanremoved

      from Sheila Fitzpatrick’s On Stalin’s Team, seems to be the most cited and accepted take. he was a cop so it’s very easy to believe, and the charges have some credibility from being unneeded to secure the death sentence, but it’s also easy to see why exaggeration/fabrication could be in the interest of his detractors.

  • Absolute@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
    5·
    5 days ago

    I want to know how many fortified wines deep you have to be to decide that Dresden should go to the Chinese communists but Munich goes to the nationalists.

    They should have just decided that Germany is the one PvP zone in the entire world. Sharpening of contradictions leads to civil war in your country ? No need to totally wreck the place, both sides just send their troops over to Germany where they can fight it out. Instead of the current civil war in Sudan displacing millions and destroying infrastructure, each side could have just sent their best fighters over to Germany to settle things. Something to think about.