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  • TheModerateTankie [any]@hexbear.net
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    Whoops, turns out there’s this obscure anti-democratic mechanic liberals can use to keep the left out of power. Oh well, don’t hate the player, hate the game. I guess you’ll just need to get a super-duper majority to do anything. Better luck next time!

    football-lucy

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    As someone who used to vaguely believe in electoralism, it’s insidious how the bourgeois class pretend it’s all fair voting, until it goes the way they don’t want. Then the rules change and you’re voting wrong and the imperfections of the ‘imperfect system’ get used 100% in favour of bullshit.

    I’m not that old, and in my adult lifetime I’ve seen it happen in at least a few western countries (eg Recent France, state mandated fraud in the US, or the UK’s internal disinformation campaigns (including cooperation by state media) - The people vote for the “let’s minorly improve things” candidate, then bourgeois class solidarity causes shit to come out of every aspect of the woodwork to make sure that candidate cannot win. Even if everyone votes for the best candidate every time ever, there’s a 99% chance it’ll never matter (so long as the working class are doing nothing else to ensure it does).

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      Democracy for an insignificant minority, democracy for the rich–that is the democracy of capitalist society. If we look more closely into the machinery of capitalist democracy, we see everywhere, in the “petty”–supposedly petty–details of the suffrage (residential qualifications, exclusion of women, etc.), in the technique of the representative institutions, in the actual obstacles to the right of assembly (public buildings are not for “paupers”!), in the purely capitalist organization of the daily press, etc., etc.,–we see restriction after restriction upon democracy. These restrictions, exceptions, exclusions, obstacles for the poor seem slight, especially in the eyes of one who has never known want himself and has never been inclose contact with the oppressed classes in their mass life (and nine out of 10, if not 99 out of 100, bourgeois publicists and politicians come under this category); but in their sum total these restrictions exclude and squeeze out the poor from politics, from active participation in democracy.

      • V. I. Lenin
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        Every time I feel I’ve made any observation of modern society, Lenin and/or Marx already made it over a century ago. Makes me very mad at how enduring this bullshit has been. lenin-rage

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    Still confused as to why France isn’t, like, on fire right now. These people march in the streets and throw molotovs at cops because of a proposed 3 year increase in retirement age, but the sitting government entirely ignores their votes and nothing happens?

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      These people march in the streets and throw molotovs at cops because of a proposed 3 year increase in retirement age, but the sitting government entirely ignores their votes and nothing happens?

      I admire that they value three years of their life mkre than the civic religion.

    • xiaohongshu [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      More French people agree with fascism than you think, or at least according to my friends who live there, it is not something explicitly shown, you can only feel the strong undercurrent by interacting with the people there over the years.

      I have long suspected that the left coalition only won because the far right was set to have a landslide victory, and because the French doesn’t want to be seen as directly supporting fascism (they want to be in a situation where they can say “oh look we tried our best to stop it but we still barely got beaten by the far right, that’s how our country end up in fascism”), some of them voted the opposite as a “protest vote” thinking that the far right would have won anyway. The problem here is that when enough people think the same, you actually end up costing the far right parties their election.

      But these people’s hearts were not on the left to begin with, so they’re fine with what Macron is doing with aligning with the far right.

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      Because the Left-Centerleft coalition only won a plurality, not an outright majority. More people voted for Macron’s center right party or one of the right wing coalitions.

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    Yeah, but French people voted for actual leftist/socdems, with ideas and ideologies most voters agree with. The Democrats wants the USians to vote for them just because they are not Trump.

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      Macron has appointed a far right prime minister (?) instead of one from the left majority resulting from the recent election. In effect ignoring the voter intent. Legality is not very clear to me but it’s at minimum in defiance of convention and expectations

      Edit: looks like I’m wrong

      • Hexboare [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        The New Popular Front only got 180 seats out of the 289 needed.

        In terms of the popular vote, the will of the france-cool people was the far right.

        macron outmaneuvered both the left and slightly further right

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    “Voting” means different things in different political systems and it’s disingenuous (whether you’re a blue no matter who dem or an online communist) to equate them

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    At this point I’m just going to spoil a ballot in my name and hopefully get Dem canvassers to realize I’m a lost cause to them; and maybe check the local ordinances trying to go through. Literally it’s just a spite move that costs more energy than it’s worth to me at this point but my roommates are liberals whose brainworms are very resistant to the brands of brainworm killer I keep in stock and it’s even more energy expended to have the argument about ‘why didn’t you hit the polling spot’