• Greenleaf [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      9 months ago

      Hey that’s weird, opinion is mostly unchanged for like 30 years, then in 2018 it just becomes net positive, and then immediately after it unfavorability jumps sky-high. Surely just a coincidence.

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        Yup and this, even after Trump campaigned against China through 2015-16

        Though I think this needs more analysis. I can think of at least one pandemic that was blamed on China in early 2020 which might be the actual start of the decline.

        • Philosoraptor [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          That would be my guess also, and is probably the simplest explanation. The US media beat the “Chinese virus” drum very, very hard and a lot of people still seem to believe that China is mostly to blame for COVID. It’s at least possible that this was part of the same effort to discredit China both to the Chinese and to the world broadly, and that COVID was just a “happy” coincidence for the already existing propaganda campaign.

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            HK/Uighur stuff was the CIA psychological operation being discussed here. Uighur separatism was a project of the CIA in Afghanistan since we invaded, they indirectly caused the Urumqi riots that lead to the anti-terrorism policies of China. Then when their operatives started getting locked up and their ETIM terrorist networks smashed apart, they whined about it as “genocide” to the media through pseudo-academics like Zenz.

            Hong Kong protests were NED funded, meaning the CIA also was running and operating those.

            The American public reaction and acceptance to both is also emblematic of the CIA’s control over US media and social media narratives. This stuff is all directly related and connected.

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          covid is what made me love China, their response to it was better than any capitalist nation and proved their distinction and reaffirmed to me they were still a dictatorship of the proletariat. It’s so weird to me that I have the exact opposite opinion of the median American in every single way. Another example is after Afghanistan withdrawal the approval rating of Biden plummeted, but in my opinion it was the one half-decent concession he made during his entire term, but for Americans their collective egos got bruised so they whined about how bad it looked for them.

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      This sucks so much that propaganda is so effective on people in the US. Like, I know not-immune-to-propaganda but I would still hope that sentiment isn’t that malleable over a couple years. amerikkka

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        I unfortunately work with a whole host of ex TLA people and they’re even more thoroughly propagandized than your average american imo. They’re extremely intelligent in so many ways but so absolutely blind to the programming that it’s pretty awe inspiring.

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        “No one is immune to propaganda” does not equal “everyone is equally scrupulous when confronted with propaganda”

        You can judge people who repeatedly fall for blatant bullshit.

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      Is this a poll of Americans? I don’t think Chinese people have an approval rate of 15% of their own country.

      The reported CIA activity occurred in China.

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        It is a poll of Americans, yes. I did see that the CIA activity occurred in China and I get what you’re saying, I just refuse to believe that the goal was only to cause internal chaos in China.

    • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      He’s a what? he’s a what?
      He’s a newspaper man
      And he gets his best ideas
      From a newspaper stand;
      From his boots to his pants
      To his comments and his rants
      He knows that any little article will do!