Brace said some weird shit about Elizabeth Warren that was super off putting and needlessly sexual. And she fucking sucks. But she sucks because of the shit she has done both in and out of politics not because she’s a woman. I mean, he’s a pretty funny dude but he was off the mark there.

They just want manly hard-hat men LARPing as soviet factory guys. They don’t want to deal with annoying issues that don’t directly affect them in a way they can see.

It’s the bare minimum in 2023

I’ll add “having the emotional intelligence to apply what you’ve learned” to that bare minimum. Still a pretty low bar!

true anon brace’s ironic misogyny

Ok but, it is funny most of the time

I’m glad to see Brace’s personal growth- he’s mostly moved on from the r-word to instead using neurodivergent as a pejorative

With his edgy persona I don’t see him ever doing some serious self-reflection and apologising tbh

“Breadtube” is not “the left”, it’s an edutainment personal lifestyle brand masquerading as a political movement.

I don’t remotely care for BadEmpanada in general, but any online community dealing in “breadtube” ““content”” should have his video on the topic permanently pinned at the top.

churches are better at incorporating women then the left is at this moment in time.

Church organizations tend to have more funding and larger congregations, they tend to have more veteran organizers and larger pools of people to draw on, and they tend to leverage a moral imperative that’s been baked into the congregation’s social life since birth rather than formulating a rallying cry lots of westerners haven’t heard in decades.

I noticed this in a local dsa chapter where they had to meet a quota of 50 % women in org in positions of leadership, but they would quickly promote people who weren’t ready for leadership as they had not enough experience

Young organizations are going to struggle with finding and promoting leaders. Lots of this is going to be trial-and-error. The fact that DSA leadership is making a good-faith effort to equitably include people is good. However, simply establishing arbitrary quotas doesn’t work, because the people you’re appointing as “leaders” don’t have a following.

This isn’t even strictly an experience problem. Large organizations are often amalgamations of smaller cliches and social groups. Extended families, religiously inclined business owners, and neighborhood/school groups will make up pockets of support in the church that the folks at the top of the hierarchy have to court in order to get anything done.

So perhaps the problem isn’t that the DSA needs more women leaders (or… more non-binary males? Woof) but more outreach to women’s groups that already exist in the area.

Are there local junior leagues, nurses unions, PTAs, or… idk… church groups, that DSA members could collaborate with? Rather than looking for women to be leaders, perhaps you can look for existing leaders in the community who are also women?

Wow it’s almost like strict demographic quotas and tokenism do not lead to societal advancement and instead have people being weird about it! It’s the mentality of girlboss feminism that says that progress is when people who are oppressed in one way get to be the oppressors in a different way.

That’s… incredibly depressing to hear.

and now they where asking male members to identify as non binary because they burned all the local cadres out.

lol, lmao even

and now they where asking male members to identify as non binary because they burned all the local cadres out. Just to fill the quota. I guess I feel pessimistic at this moment.

jeeesus

I noticed this in a local dsa chapter where they had to meet a quota of 50 % women in org in positions of leadership, but they would quickly promote people who weren’t ready for leadership as they had not enough experience, they would burn out and leave with in a year or two and now they where asking male members to identify as non binary because they burned all the local cadres out. Just to fill the quota. I guess I feel pessimistic at this moment.

Isn’t this a C. Derick Varn anecdote or were you also at a DSA meeting when this happen? If so I’ll just had a correction that in Varn’s anecdote DSA wasn’t asking male members to identify as non binary, but 2 male members were talking to each other and one of them proposed doing that to fill the quota.

I think the point of the story is less “left bad at women” and more…don’t put these quotas in place if they’re not adequate

the currently left is gonna have to go extinct

I have some news for you

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And Contra is 1000% a bougie liberal. PT only like, uh, 98%. But if V**sh counts (and OOP counts him), then it’s not like the men aren’t reactionary slop-gourmands, with the better among them* just limiting what they say to the more pure expressions of that in media criticism rather than pretending to really do politics.

Turns out liberalism is a fucking problem that needs to be combated!

*This being a highly relative superlative

Yeah I’m not a fan of vagueness, if there is an issue, you must be explicit

Mexie is the only one I could think of that’s mostly ML but phrases things less hard than male MLs might and thus might get ragged on like this.

The video is saying the libtube isn’t liberal enough and too many mean bros are calling them libs? Into the trash this video goes

Do I have to watch it if I don’t take breadtube seriously?

Pre-federation I would’ve known this was a bit on sight.

Now I literally had to read your username and then check your profile to make sure.

You’ll never make it as a content creator with a handful of concise paragraphs, you need to deep dive with a 40 minute video

That said from what I’ve briefly engaged with, I have no doubt breadtube is toxic to women

Also she speaks in a very slow and affected manner, which really doesn’t help with a media-addled zoomer brain like mine . . .

Someone posted an AI summary earlier that got the structure of the essay correct, even if it made the content seem more superficial than it was. You can probably find it in the mod log if you want. I’d still recommended you watch just the first five minutes if you can, though.

Eat and drink bread? I am down. I am so down, mfer. Ring me up. Bread video essay? I SLEEP

I think they’re called a baguette

libtube

Edit: Some people are taking quotes that the AI has written and acting as if that’s what’s actually in the video. It’s not. I thought it should be obvious that if you want to critique the video, you have to watch it rather than depend on an AI to to provide a a summary.

It’s a good summary. Misses some of the nuances, obviously, and makes it seem more basic/superficial than it is, but as far as the structure goes, I think it is good.

But one of the core parts of this video that really resonated with me, and which this summary missed entirely, was that at the end of every section, there were questions that the OP posed to us, the audience, to reflect/think on, based on that section. I think that’s extremely important, because, if you are willing to be challenged, then the video can do that. It’s not just “patriarchy bad”.

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Don’t post shit like this here again. And if anyone sees this again let me know and I’ll lightning remove it.

Also if you want to participate in this community, participate in it don’t post AI garbage

Masculine values and actions like public organizing and intellectual debate are prioritized over feminine values like emotional work and art.

I’m sorry, what? Organizing and discussion are “male values”? Emotion and art are “female values”?

Jesus, talk about Patriarchal thinking.

limits the community’s revolutionary potential.

lmao I think there’s a lot limiting breadtube’s revolutionary potential, misogyny included

Leftism, no matter of what type, from Marxism of the 19th century to Marxism-Leninism in the 20th, and of course the various different stripes of Anarchist movements have always been feminist. In the Communist Manifesto itself Marx and Engels talk about women’s rights particularly as it relates to family, marriage and prostitution. Explicit focus was put on women’s rights and issues during the Russian Revolution.

There is no successful leftist movement, no “violent capture of capital” as you call it, without addressing the unique challenges women face under our current society. Women make up 50% of the freaking proletariat.

And historically, this isn’t the demographic that leverages violence well.

Just…absolute fucking nonsense. You know nothing about feminism except the sanitized version you’ve been fed and, worse than that, have absolutely zero curiousity and desire to learn. You seem to fucking gloat in your ignorance. Is that also what you think of the Civil Rights Movement because it was “non-violent”?

I never became a leftist to solve the Feminist, gender, or race questions for my society.

I’m going to hope you’re just young and ignorant. There will be no revolution without solving “the Feminist, gender or race questions” along with the various others you have not mentioned. I’m going to stop here because otherwise I’ll lose my cool. The people most oppressed under capitalism, who have the strongest reason to fight, are who you’re saying “nah, I don’t care about your struggles.”

Just…learn a little.

And historically, this isn’t the demographic that leverages violence well.

“The females are too weak, unlike us manly men doing manly men things.”

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