I’m not even American, so it doesn’t affect me directly, but I am scared to death of a Trump presidency.

I am one of those people here who think that Biden is a far more competent executor of imperialist policies compared to Trump, but what I am even more afraid of is the early death of nascent left wing movements in America.

I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising (mind you, a much stronger party than any leftist movement in America today), and how its continued suppression paved the way to Nazi Germany.

Project 2025 will effectively embolden fascist thugs in America to do the same to the left wing movements, many of which are still in their cradle, and the death of leftist movements in their infancies will inevitably pave the way to a fascist America and undo many of the progress that had been made over decades.

The world cannot afford a fascist America. Imagine Hitler with nukes. The world will have to pay a much, much larger price as a result.

On this reasoning alone, I believe that Trump needs to be stopped at all cost. But many here have disagreed with me, and I need you to persuade me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025 at all. Even if the chance of that happening is 10%, I’m still not ready to gamble with it.

(I’m not saying we have to support Biden, I believe it is somewhat inevitable, I’m saying that we have to buy ourselves as much time as possible, even if it means strategic voting, to build a resilient leftist movement while delaying the inevitable for as long as we can.)

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    Liberals aren’t opposed to Project 2025.

    Have you heard a liberal plan for what they will do to prevent it once they have power? No of course you haven’t. Simply having liberals in charge is all they care about, they have no intent to create policy to prevent or reduce its potential later.

    Project 2030 will happen if Project 2025 does not, because liberals are not actually opposed to it, they are simply using it as a tool to get votes.

    The democrats and the republicans are on the same team. They are tag teaming the working class into this outcome so that the working class does not pursue an option different to either of them. They are content with it happening either in 1 year or in 6 years. They don’t mind either of these outcomes, as long as you and everyone else isn’t fighting for a real opposition.

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      They democrats and the republicans are on the same team. They are tag teaming the working class into this outcome so that the working class does not pursue an option different to either of them.

      Not only that, but the “ratchet” analogy people use is dead wrong, and it’s dangerous that people keep using it. Biden has implemented a bunch of things Trump couldn’t because courts, Democrats and their fans, and movements strenuously opposed him. The ratchet hasn’t just “stopped” with Biden. It’s advanced on slightly different fronts than liberals and the media want to pay attention to. The Democrats don’t need to keep it from rolling back to the “left” because there’s never any threat of it halting its “rightward” progress.