It’s basically just a bunch of actually based third worldist not-insane-MLM posters (and BadEmpanada in the mix because he loves to be half right and half wrong about everything to maximize pissing people) off arguing with Jacobin and DSA ppl who resent the existence of the International Committee, the only part I like
While I agree with the sentiment part of the issue is Settlers is one of the only sources for this kind of stuff they have other than Jason Unruhe. This is the Samir Amin fanclub so they are fucked. You can see how fast the arguments fall apart. They don’t want it to come down to questions about how labor has changed in the US past few decades. They dismiss the entire concept of unequal exchange outright because they sense it could have uncomfortable implications.
I get the feeling we are in a better place to understand why they arrive at these conclusions than they are. Carl’s been at this since before Iraq II, he loves to scold people about that. I just got here, how is this possible. I’m going to Get Rich And Become God I guess.
Just kidding we’re all decades behind this stuff why the fuck was Dialectics of Dependency only translated in 2018. I’m going insane.
I think they’re extremely unsophisticated folks that just want to confirm their SocDem biases and sometimes that means a religious belief in a radical US working class. And per the screenshot, often limiting one’s understanding of liberation to the issues of proletarianizan now faced by white people in the imperial core, issues they absolutely did not and do not care about wrt anyone else. Healthcare, housing, shit wages, insecurity, etc. They saw Bernie, said, “yeah”, and then entrenched themselves and punch left rather than engaging with the basic facts of imperialism. They fetishize discourse and then act like babies during confrontation.
Occasionally they fool themselves into thinking that they’re actually socialists just trying to approach the working class on terms that will resonate with them, and this they view criticism of SocDemery as getting in the way of progress to socialism. A ton of trots think this way and there is a lot of trot thinking at Jacobin/the DSA, conscious or unconscious. DSA was founded by an anticommunist trot and the big influx of Bernie supporters are struggling to self-radicalize in a context where struggles are framed in watered-down trot language and thinking.
💯💯💯 My only bit to add here is the figures they latch on to as examples of anti-imperialism are very telling. If you think of Unruhe or Haz or twitter posters first, you should have your “out of touch” and “too online” cards taken away for life
No my bad that’s misleading, I was like 19 quote tweets deep this morning. It’s just a lot of twitch/yt addicted people’s first point of contact with anti imperialist views. I shouldn’t even waste my time.
It’s basically just a bunch of actually based third worldist not-insane-MLM posters (and BadEmpanada in the mix because he loves to be half right and half wrong about everything to maximize pissing people) off arguing with Jacobin and DSA ppl who resent the existence of the International Committee, the only part I like
Imagining forcing these losers to read Settlers while I stand behind them nodding their head for them and going, “mm-hmm, mm-m”.
While I agree with the sentiment part of the issue is Settlers is one of the only sources for this kind of stuff they have other than Jason Unruhe. This is the Samir Amin fanclub so they are fucked. You can see how fast the arguments fall apart. They don’t want it to come down to questions about how labor has changed in the US past few decades. They dismiss the entire concept of unequal exchange outright because they sense it could have uncomfortable implications.
I get the feeling we are in a better place to understand why they arrive at these conclusions than they are. Carl’s been at this since before Iraq II, he loves to scold people about that. I just got here, how is this possible. I’m going to Get Rich And Become God I guess.
Just kidding we’re all decades behind this stuff why the fuck was Dialectics of Dependency only translated in 2018. I’m going insane.
I think they’re extremely unsophisticated folks that just want to confirm their SocDem biases and sometimes that means a religious belief in a radical US working class. And per the screenshot, often limiting one’s understanding of liberation to the issues of proletarianizan now faced by white people in the imperial core, issues they absolutely did not and do not care about wrt anyone else. Healthcare, housing, shit wages, insecurity, etc. They saw Bernie, said, “yeah”, and then entrenched themselves and punch left rather than engaging with the basic facts of imperialism. They fetishize discourse and then act like babies during confrontation.
Occasionally they fool themselves into thinking that they’re actually socialists just trying to approach the working class on terms that will resonate with them, and this they view criticism of SocDemery as getting in the way of progress to socialism. A ton of trots think this way and there is a lot of trot thinking at Jacobin/the DSA, conscious or unconscious. DSA was founded by an anticommunist trot and the big influx of Bernie supporters are struggling to self-radicalize in a context where struggles are framed in watered-down trot language and thinking.
💯💯💯 My only bit to add here is the figures they latch on to as examples of anti-imperialism are very telling. If you think of Unruhe or Haz or twitter posters first, you should have your “out of touch” and “too online” cards taken away for life
Oh God they unironically cite Haz? jfc
No my bad that’s misleading, I was like 19 quote tweets deep this morning. It’s just a lot of twitch/yt addicted people’s first point of contact with anti imperialist views. I shouldn’t even waste my time.