• DanComrd [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    11 months ago

    I don’t believe that Jewish is an ethnicity. That’s like saying Catholics are an ethnicity. Judaism is just a religion. Any ethnicity can practice it. Same with any other religion.

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      11 months ago

      That’s factually incorrect. There is a Jewish ethnicity and a Jewish faith. A person can be one, the other, or both.

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        11 months ago

        Zionists have pushed a thesis that there is a Jewish ethnicity but there is not one. There are multiple ethnicities where many if not most members are Jewish but to say a Jew from Eastern Europe and a Jew from Ethiopia are the same ethnicity is patently absurd if the word “ethnicity” is used consistently with how it’s otherwise used for any other “ethnic” group. Also, literally anyone can convert to Judaism and they are then 100% Jewish as are their progeny. You can’t just change your ethnicity like that.

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        11 months ago

        That’s not my intention. My main issue with that comment is that Jewish can’t be both a religion and an ethnicity. Thats the same vibe as Muslims is a faith and an ethnicity. I cannot just look at someone random and say they are Muslim or Jewish.

        Honestly I maybe terribly wrong on this and I do appreciate everyone in this thread being chill. My main point is that I don’t believe in looking at someone and immediately telling where they are from.

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          11 months ago

          the various Hindu religions, or Shinto. Do you have the same issue? The largest Jewish population groups share considerable heritage.Islam generally is a universalizing religion, like Christianity. Both predominate in certain quarters but actively seek converts unlike ethnic religions. Judaism does not actively seek converts but it does accept them depending on the tradition. none of this is inconsistent with a Jewish ethnic identity parallel to but not synonymous with Jewish religion.

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            11 months ago

            I don’t have an issue with it but I don’t want to generalise a type of person based on their religion. As you asked if someone is following Hinduism, I wouldn’t immediately think of someone from the Indian subcontinent same as someone who is Muslim or Christian or Jewish.

            I do recognise that some religions have more predominant ethnic followers and they are from specific regions of the world, but it’s not always the case I don’t think.

        • Antiwork [none/use name, he/him]@hexbear.net
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          11 months ago

          Well you just shouldn’t do that anyway. But many Jewish people today are reformist and non-practicing. Meaning their ethnicity is what makes them Jewish. You don’t have to assume anyone’s ethnicity.

          • DanComrd [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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            11 months ago

            Well you just shouldn’t do that anyway.

            I know and I don’t want to. I realise I didn’t put my opinion on this as clearly as I should have been at the start.

            Meaning their ethnicity is what makes them Jewish.

            Yes I understand your point and yes absolutely I don’t have to assume anyones ethnicity based on their religion. I don’t believe in that.

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      11 months ago

      There’s such a thing as an “ethnoreligious group”, even if a lot of Jews are practicing their cultural history is entwined in a religious tradition. Even totally atheist Jews usually observe some religious practices for cultural reasons.

      • DanComrd [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        11 months ago

        Yes I agree with you on that. I should have been clearer when I commented on it. I’m an atheist and I still have some traditions that I follow like Christmas and Easter but without the Christianity.

        I did reply earlier which more or less clarifies the point I’m trying to make here: https://hexbear.net/comment/4360621

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          11 months ago

          Yeah but most of those subgroups of Jewish people can usually trace their lineage back at least somewhat reliably to the Jewish diaspora.

          Also most sects of Judaism aren’t evangelical and don’t actively seek out new adherents, only practicing within the bounds of their own community even if they do occasionally accept converts (and most converts are people who marry into the faith). Christianity isn’t consider ethnoreligious cuz Christianity actively went out and sought new adherents in a variety of cultures.

          • DanComrd [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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            11 months ago

            No, I get that, but that’s the thing, they spread out and adopted their own take on Judaism like the Sephradic Jews took Spanish and Latin words in their Hebrew language.