edit - originally made a year ago during the beginning of the invasion for r/noncredibledefence i can see how this can be misinterpreted, as a result of pedantics, i have added an russian defence corp to clarify the meme

edit 2 - reuploaded the image since it’s was deleted by recent instance woes, didn’t save edit 1 so this is the original - i’m not remaking edit 1

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2 girls are fighting, flags are placed on them ukraine and russia respectively, while a group of bystanders in a backdrop watch and record

a bystander is explicitly amused, and enjoying himself; dabbing a pipe, defense corporation logos are posted him, Raytheon technologies and Lockheed martin

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      210·
      1 year ago

      I have no idea what that’s supposed to prove, and I don’t think you’re gonna be able to explain in a way that makes any sense or you would have done so already

      • Dr. JenkemAEnglish
        132·
        1 year ago

        It’s a war for oil. NATO wants to get off of Russian oil, that’s bad business for Russia.

        But you’re kind of distracting from the point. Regardless of who you think is in the right or wrong, defense contractors are making big money. This isn’t unlike any past war. The rich profit while the working class dies.

        • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
          61·
          1 year ago

          Interesting how these folks will insist that the newest war is “unlike any other” and they will admit that wars fought 20-30 years ago or longer were just fought over resources, but this time, it is totally different and this is absolutely a moral war that the good wholesome chungus freedom brigade is fighting for freedom!

          I look forward to these people in 10-20 years admitting that this war’s whole purpose was profit as they salivate at the “morality” of the current conflict their leadership has shoved down their throats.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          People who sell equipment for war make money when there’s a war?!

          Shocked, I’m shocked I say!

          /s

          But acting like Russia invaded Ukraine because NATO said they’d want to stop buying Russian oil makes zero sense.

          Even Russia knew that invading a sovereign citizens would lead to oil sanctions.

          Like, none of what you’re saying makes any rational sense…

          • Dr. JenkemAEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            People who sell equipment for war make money when there’s a war?!

            Shocked, I’m shocked I say!

            So it seems like you agree with the premise of the meme.

            But acting like Russia invaded Ukraine because NATO said they’d want to stop buying Russian oil makes zero sense.

            Then why do you suppose Russia invaded Ukraine?

            And by the way, I am not alone in the view that this is a war for oil.

            There are four reasons to think this war is, or will default to, an energy heist. The first is Russian national interest. Taking Ukraine’s energy would give Mr. Putin the second-largest natural-gas reserves in Europe, worth more than $1 trillion at today’s prices. It would give him oil and condensate worth as much as $400 billion, and most of Ukraine’s coal—the sixth-largest reserve base in the world. Additionally, he would consolidate an extraordinary strategic geopolitical advantage with ports on the Black Sea and Sea of Azov, putting Russia at the center of global energy supply to the vast European and Asian markets for the foreseeable future.

            The second reason to think this war is a resource grab is Mr. Putin’s tactical focus. Russian troops are now concentrated in the parts of Ukraine that hold 90% of its energy resources. They have seized the Donbas and control Luhansk and Donetsk. They are embedded along the Black Sea coast and focusing extreme pressure on Mariupol. If the fighting stopped now, Mr. Putin would control all of Ukraine’s offshore oil, its critical ports on the Azov Sea, the Kerch Strait, 80% of the Black Sea coastline, and all critical energy-processing and shipping infrastructure.

            The third reason is the treatment of Mariupol. If Mr. Putin’s core objective were the reunification of ethnic Russians, then pounding into dust the country’s largest urban center of pro-Russian Ukrainians would be an odd way to manage that reunification. If this is about control of Ukraine’s energy, however, that city is the essential land bridge to his Crimean assets and the critical port from which to ship resources from Donetsk and Luhansk.

            Even Russia knew that invading a sovereign citizens would lead to oil sanctions.

            The article goes on to say…

            Despite the imposition of sanctions, European Union imports of Russian energy, enhanced by the annexed assets, continued unabated. Europe is now paying Russia more than $100 billion a year, and is on track to import 90% of the energy it consumes by 2030.

            Source: WSJ - https://archive.is/owEbD#selection-4769.0-4769.654

            I am very curious to hear what you think the reason for this war is.

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              1st off (and this shouldn’t need to be said) them profiting off a situation doesn’t mean they created the situation. Do you yell at the grocery store for making you hungry?

              Someone said NATO started the war because they want Russian oil…

              So for “proof” of that, you linked an article about how Russia might have considered Ukraine’s energy supplies before invading it?

              How are those two the ngs related?

              It’s seems like if that logic is sound to you, you’d believe that you could replace any political entity in place of NATO and it would be just as much “proof” of them starting the war…

              Why do you think that’s more likely then the one that decided to invade was the one that actually did the invading?

              I know I’m not getting a real answer, but it’s like seeing a trainwreck

              • Dr. JenkemAEnglish
                1·
                1 year ago

                Ooh boy, look at those strawmen. I would respond to each of your points, ask for clarification, etc; but you didn’t bother to respond to my question posed to you: Why do you think Russia invaded Ukraine?