I think a material difference between Iraq (v2 anyway) and Ukraine is that they can keep doing the “well Russia was the aggressor” thing indefinitely even if the reality is more complicated.

also yes obviously some libs are still stubborn about Iraq, the worst ones, but for the most part its generally agreed that the Iraq War was a bad thing.

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    Geopoltiically aligning with Russia is different from being a Russian citizen living in Russia. Do you condemn Russians fighting being drafted into a war they don’t want to participate in?

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      I believe it’s a fight for Russia’s continued existence and is as necessary as the great patriotic war. Russians should fight if they don’t want the US to loot their corpses again

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        Thinking slavery is good doesnt seem very leftist to me but ok. Sounds like you’ve forgotten the critical in critical support. Putin isnt a anti-imperialist ideologue, and modern Russia isnt an anti-imperialist force by nature, it just happens that Russias goals align with antiimperialism right now.

        Also, to respond to a previous point, bourgeoise countries shouldn’t “earn your trust”, that is not material analysis.

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          Did the USSR “enslave” the conscripts to the red army? Or maybe existential war is a valid reason to take certain measures?

          Again, ideologues and ideology are not relevant. Only outcomes. Russia is fighting for its survival against imperialists. That means they should not be sabotaged by anyone who considers themselves an anti-imperialist. Imperialism is the primary contradiction. Imperialism is the primary contradiction. Imperialism is the primary contradiction. Have you internalized this yet?

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      Russia has risen to a sacred fight to protect its sovereignty and security against the hegemonic forces. North Korea supports all Putin’s decisions. I’m sure we will remain together in [the] fight against imperialism

      Kim Jong Un

      Do you believe you and other westerners understand anti-imperialism and what needs to be done for the victory of socialism more than the official position of the most advanced socialist nation on Earth that is basically defined by its anti-imperialist stance and almost always materially supporting the correct side of any conflict (even when westerners cry)?