To a liberal, it is far more important to be “morally virtuous” and “pure” than it is to actually improve the world. So if China is deemed to have “impure” reasons for renewables, then it doesn’t count, and if the US “tries” to implement renewables, but fails, that’s ok, because they tried really hard.
Some of the most fucked up liberal logic is when some billionaire is nakedly greedy it is seen as “pure” because “gotta please the shareholders” but if a protestor wears brand-name shoes that’s seen as a moral failing for the protestor’s message.
Capitalist ideology in general, Žižek maintains, consists precisely in the overvaluing of belief – in the sense of inner subjective attitude – at the expense of the beliefs we exhibit and externalize in our behavior. So long as we believe (in our hearts) that capitalism is bad, we are free to continue to participate in capitalist exchange.
I think they do the flip side of this too, where (AES country) tries to provide (good thing) but failed or was only partially successful then they suck and are bad and killed 100 million.
Then you have good strong (Capitalist country) doesn’t give a fuck about providing (good thing) and so when they fail to provide it that’s okay. It’s your fault for not getting it for yourself!
but they’re not even applying this moral standard consistently, considering how these libs are all pro-capital and already think that financial incentive should govern all of industry
There are so many aspects of China that are awesome. There are also quite a few things that I don’t agree with or like. How hard is it to understand you can agree AND disagree at the same time?
The anti-china propaganda and other similar bullshit doesn’t help either. Hard for someone without that understanding to get over the hurdle of “bad thing” to support any good things.
I’m high AF and had a lot of trouble writing this. To summarize, if you believe China did a good then you can praise that. Even if you also believe they did a bad.
Nah, it’s fine, you’re making sense. The liberal worldview tries to fit everything into binary good/bad when the real world doesn’t exist like that. Any nation or group of people will do good things and bad things, liberals just ignore or justify the “bad things” their team does, while ignoring or denying all the good things the enemy team does.
It’s important for us to remember to actively reject this sort of mentality ourselves, it can be tempting to push back against liberal claims about China with a “China is actually perfect and an ideal place!” but that isn’t any more true than whatever liberal horror story about them is being pushed in the news this week. China is a nation like any other, with great accomplishments, but also errors and failures.
It’s funny because this is what liberals believe in. Several times when you bring up how capitalists will fuck up “improvements” over their profit motive, they’ll reduce your concerns to “wow so some people make money, and that’s bad to commies.” I’m assuming this guy is a liberal because that sub is just conservatives and liberals circle jerking about how much they hate Chinese people
Where’s the evil?
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To a liberal, it is far more important to be “morally virtuous” and “pure” than it is to actually improve the world. So if China is deemed to have “impure” reasons for renewables, then it doesn’t count, and if the US “tries” to implement renewables, but fails, that’s ok, because they tried really hard.
Some of the most fucked up liberal logic is when some billionaire is nakedly greedy it is seen as “pure” because “gotta please the shareholders” but if a protestor wears brand-name shoes that’s seen as a moral failing for the protestor’s message.
It’s so stupid
Capitalist Realism chapter 2
I think they do the flip side of this too, where (AES country) tries to provide (good thing) but failed or was only partially successful then they suck and are bad and killed 100 million.
Then you have good strong (Capitalist country) doesn’t give a fuck about providing (good thing) and so when they fail to provide it that’s okay. It’s your fault for not getting it for yourself!
For example:
but they’re not even applying this moral standard consistently, considering how these libs are all pro-capital and already think that financial incentive should govern all of industry
Can’t find the relevant article unfortunately, so here’s a somewhat relevant one. https://redsails.org/brainwashing/
I assume you aren’t looking for Masses, Elites, and Rebels. Maybe “China Has Billionaires”?
It might’ve been “Masses, Elites, and Rebels” actually, I can’t remember what point I was trying to make.
Nuance is for losers.
There are so many aspects of China that are awesome. There are also quite a few things that I don’t agree with or like. How hard is it to understand you can agree AND disagree at the same time?
The anti-china propaganda and other similar bullshit doesn’t help either. Hard for someone without that understanding to get over the hurdle of “bad thing” to support any good things.
I’m high AF and had a lot of trouble writing this. To summarize, if you believe China did a good then you can praise that. Even if you also believe they did a bad.
Nah, it’s fine, you’re making sense. The liberal worldview tries to fit everything into binary good/bad when the real world doesn’t exist like that. Any nation or group of people will do good things and bad things, liberals just ignore or justify the “bad things” their team does, while ignoring or denying all the good things the enemy team does.
It’s important for us to remember to actively reject this sort of mentality ourselves, it can be tempting to push back against liberal claims about China with a “China is actually perfect and an ideal place!” but that isn’t any more true than whatever liberal horror story about them is being pushed in the news this week. China is a nation like any other, with great accomplishments, but also errors and failures.
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It’s funny because this is what liberals believe in. Several times when you bring up how capitalists will fuck up “improvements” over their profit motive, they’ll reduce your concerns to “wow so some people make money, and that’s bad to commies.” I’m assuming this guy is a liberal because that sub is just conservatives and liberals circle jerking about how much they hate Chinese people
It’s not “their team” doing it. That’s it.