I think it would be more correct to say that, to higher caste white people, other lower caste white people can lose their whiteness, but those same people still maintain their whiteness when dealing with non-white people. An Ashkenazi Jew (a European) is a white person to every non white person, even if they are pro Palestine. Being a “good white ally” or something doesn’t mean you have sacrificed the power you have which is based on the way you look, act, think, were raised, and the dynamics you have with non white people. An Ashkenazi Jew might be pro Palestine but they will still get hired over an equally competent Black person, survive a police encounter that may have killed an Indigenous person, be welcomed into a store by a clerk who follows a non white person around to the store, etc. these are benefits of their whiteness, regardless of their internal commitment to the struggles of non white people
I think a distinction can be made between racism and colorism. Racism can be applied to people with white passing complexion under the certain contexts and in certain historical moments, but colorism is entirely visual and is based solely on how people look.
Light skin is a universal privilege that applies in all white supremacist society and can never be taken away, even when racist sentiments against light-skinned ethnicities flares up. It’s like you say, they can always just quietly pretend to be Anglo. That said, light skin isn’t a universal protection either. Even if it’s always a privilege to be able to hide, it’s not like light skin stopped the Nazis.
Sure racism and colorism is a conversation for non white people. You’re talking about European Jewish people, they are white and that doesn’t go away because of their opinions on Zionism
Islamophobia exists, do you think that means an ethnic German convert to Islam isn’t white?
Europeans are white, Ashkenazi Jews are Europeans, and are white. They weren’t always considered white by white people, like Italians and Irish people, but now they are firmly cemented in their whiteness, their strongest allies and protectors are non Jewish white people who are also white supremacists.
This is obvious if you look at the white Jewish people calling Ethiopian Jews anti Black slurs, making them second class citizens, and perpetuating systemic violence against them in the so called Jewish state. Europeans Jews literally run a white supremacist settler colony, what are you on about
Well I know in the Latin American context there’s colorismo, which is based on skin tone and isn’t directly rooted in ethnic specificity. There are so many people with non-white admixtures that the concept of white supremacy can’t be maintained without compromises, but people with lighter skin are privileged over people with darker skin regardless of what race they actually are.
I think the US might be going in this direction? It’s slow, though.
yeah thats just not true. whiteness is not that individual, theres nothing about your beliefs that can impact your whiteness.
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I think it would be more correct to say that, to higher caste white people, other lower caste white people can lose their whiteness, but those same people still maintain their whiteness when dealing with non-white people. An Ashkenazi Jew (a European) is a white person to every non white person, even if they are pro Palestine. Being a “good white ally” or something doesn’t mean you have sacrificed the power you have which is based on the way you look, act, think, were raised, and the dynamics you have with non white people. An Ashkenazi Jew might be pro Palestine but they will still get hired over an equally competent Black person, survive a police encounter that may have killed an Indigenous person, be welcomed into a store by a clerk who follows a non white person around to the store, etc. these are benefits of their whiteness, regardless of their internal commitment to the struggles of non white people
I think a distinction can be made between racism and colorism. Racism can be applied to people with white passing complexion under the certain contexts and in certain historical moments, but colorism is entirely visual and is based solely on how people look.
Light skin is a universal privilege that applies in all white supremacist society and can never be taken away, even when racist sentiments against light-skinned ethnicities flares up. It’s like you say, they can always just quietly pretend to be Anglo. That said, light skin isn’t a universal protection either. Even if it’s always a privilege to be able to hide, it’s not like light skin stopped the Nazis.
Sure racism and colorism is a conversation for non white people. You’re talking about European Jewish people, they are white and that doesn’t go away because of their opinions on Zionism
Are you under the impression that antisemitism doesn’t exist?
You sound like a Zionist.
Islamophobia exists, do you think that means an ethnic German convert to Islam isn’t white?
Europeans are white, Ashkenazi Jews are Europeans, and are white. They weren’t always considered white by white people, like Italians and Irish people, but now they are firmly cemented in their whiteness, their strongest allies and protectors are non Jewish white people who are also white supremacists.
This is obvious if you look at the white Jewish people calling Ethiopian Jews anti Black slurs, making them second class citizens, and perpetuating systemic violence against them in the so called Jewish state. Europeans Jews literally run a white supremacist settler colony, what are you on about
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You’re literally just repeating what I already said, you should take some time offline to reconstitute yourself
How does this work outside an American lens?
Well I know in the Latin American context there’s colorismo, which is based on skin tone and isn’t directly rooted in ethnic specificity. There are so many people with non-white admixtures that the concept of white supremacy can’t be maintained without compromises, but people with lighter skin are privileged over people with darker skin regardless of what race they actually are.
I think the US might be going in this direction? It’s slow, though.