Seriously though, the USA is virtually always bad.

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    lmao they put half the nazis back in power after the war and are now arming nazis in Ukraine

    If thats the best you can find, then holy shit

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          But was the government Nazi? Since Nazi Germany had conscription, I’d image it’d be hard to find anyone in Germany who wasn’t a Nazi. But as I understand it, there was actual systematic denazification that kept the government on track.

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            But as I understand it,

            you have demonstrated over and over again that your understanding is woefully incomplete, almost cartoonishly shallow

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              Since Nazi Germany had conscription, I’d image it’d be hard to find anyone in Germany who wasn’t a Nazi. But as I understand it, there was actual systematic denazification that kept the government on track.

              Seems like you didn’t have a good response to this point, would you like to try again?

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                It’s not worth responding to blatant lies, West Germany did not have “actual systematic denazification”, their government was staffed with Nazis and they literally had a Nazi general as head of NATO. This is akin to burying your head in the sand and complaining that people aren’t helping you see.

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                There was no “systemic denazification”. We killed a few figureheads, then put the rest back into power, and into NATO leadership. West Germany was a Nazi country.

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                  The soviets did a much more thorough job of denazification. How did that work out for the people of east Germany?

                  Is Germany still a nazi country now? If not, when did it stop being a nazi country?

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                    Are you asking about the political implications of denazification for East Germany?

                    I’d say that the fact that Nazis were effectively eradicated in East Germany is proof enough that it turned out well for them.

                    Or are you concern-trolling about the Berlin Wall or the economic underdevelopment of east Germany comparative to West Germany devoid of any historical context or something like that?

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                    The soviets did a much more thorough job of denazification.

                    Yes.

                    How did that work out for the people of east Germany?

                    Good, GDR was a much better place to live for the non-wealthy. Far better education, quality of life, women’s rights, transportation, etc.

                    Are you just a Nazi? What is even your implication here? That nazis in power make things better and removing them is bad?

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            Look up some of these Nazis in the BRD. We’re not talking about conscripted soldiers. The people that are brought up check one or (often) multiple of the following boxes:

            • Members of the Nazi party and other Nazi organizations, and they weren’t forced to join these either.
            • Officers or officials in charge of the war crimes, the Holocaust, or some other Nazi crimes.
            • People directly on-the-ground involved in war crimes and mass murder.
            • Capitalists or managers profiting off the Nazi war effort, using slave labor and/or profiting of stolen Jewish wealth.

            There were thousands of people guilty of stuff like this in all levels of the BRD government, including many the highest levels. This was normal. The Western allies could have hanged some top 10,000 of those responsible, easily, but they didn’t. They let them out of prison, hired them, and helped them escape justice.

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              They did the same thing in occupied Korea with Japanese occupiers and collaborators. Put the fascists back in charge who had enslaved their countrymen. They did this everywhere. America merged with fascism it didn’t defeat it, it’s upgraded to level 2 fascism.

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            Pretty sure camp survivors weren’t. They would have needed new jobs so that would have been pretty a pretty good way to help fix things. Only we didn’t want justice. We wanted people who were used to fighting the soviets. So nazies. We wanted them in power, just working for us.

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            The Gehlen Organisation, which later became absorbed wholesale into the West German state as their intelligence apparatus, was literally just a bunch of Nazis headed by Nazi lieutenant-general Reinhard Gehlen.

            Was the government Nazi? Well, that entire arm of the government certainly was!