When people talk about “therapy” here, they most likely are thinking of bog-standard talk therapy, where you just go in and kinda, well, talk to someone about your life, problems, etc.

For some people, it’s enough to just get things off their chest, talk about things out loud with someone and helps them deal with their issues. I personally see such a therapist monthly and find it beneficial to my mental health.

For others, especially those with more intense troubles and traumas, it may not be, and would probably be served better by someone more specialized with said traumas.

Like any medical profession, the quality of individual therapists and mental health experts can vary widely, from chuds to libs to comrades and everything in-between. there’s a solid chance you may not get the perfect fit on try 1, I didn’t.

I just feel like some people are dipping their toes into Scientology-ish “all therapy is bad, never seek professional help for your problems” stuff, which I think is disastrous advice.

    • vovchik_ilich [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Could you please describe a “bad patient”? Like, how can there be such a thing by definition? A psychologist, as any other medical practitioner, should be able to form a diagnosis based on the observation and listening to the patient, and then decide which treatment, if any, is adequate. How is any of this the responsibility, or even worse, fault, of the patient???

      • hashbrowns4life [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        191·
        2 months ago

        Lying about yourself, missing appointments, not sticking to treatments, general contempt for the process while trying to go through it.

        Lots of ways someone can poison their own well.

        • Diuretic_Materialism [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          20·
          2 months ago

          Lying about yourself

          My moms a narcissist and actually got worse after going to therapy. She does her appointments remote and one time she was staying at my place during one. I wasn’t trying to eavesdrop but the walls are thin and I overheard a bit where she was recounting an interaction she had with my sister that I had witnessed and she told the tale in a way that made her come off WAY more reasonable than my sister way less reasonable than I recall. I never called this out, felt it would be unethical of me to do so, but it always made me suspicious he was basically just using her therapist to validate her interpretations of things.

          I imagine this happens to some extend with almost all therapy, your therapist is naturally only gonna get your side of every story, but I see how with certain toxic people (like a narcissist) it could actually end up so bad it’s counter productive.

        • vovchik_ilich [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          8·
          2 months ago

          Lying about yourself, missing appointments, not sticking to treatments, general contempt for the process while trying to go through it

          That’s, in my humble opinion, a fault of the system that makes people disregard the opinion of the professionals, or of the field failing to compel patients to actually conform to the therapy mode chosen or to adapt to the needs of the patient. Your “bad patient” thing sounds to me very much like “everyone complains about bad teachers but nobody wants to admit that there are bad students”. Like, maybe adapt the system and the field to diverse people in diverse situations, instead of applying a cookie-mold approach and blaming the recipient for it.

            • vovchik_ilich [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              8·
              2 months ago

              How are you going to compel people to conform to the therapy?

              Again, that should absolutely be studied as part of the effectiveness of given therapies and methodologies. If the field fails to account for the high percentage of people who don’t confirm to therapies for one reason or another, or to study those reasons and to find solutions, then what the fuck are the scientists doing?

              • Pentacat [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                2 months ago

                I’m not going to say that the methodology doesn’t matter, but the #1 factor in whether therapy is going to work for someone is the level of trust with the therapist. That tops methodology, education, everything else. Certain therapies absolutely help certain things, but a good therapist isn’t trying to get anyone to “conform.”

                • vovchik_ilich [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  10·
                  2 months ago

                  The focus on “bad patients” is faulty from a pragmatic point of view. It leads to thinking “certain people just don’t wanna be helped”. If you reframe it as people who for example by social conditioning or by public opinion or trust on psychology, don’t fully accept treatment, or people who for actual reasons aren’t receptive to treatment, the framing leads you to finding solutions to those problems instead of just dismissing them as “bad patients”, as happens with students. I bet my ass that “bad patients” correlate with demographic and economic factors, i.e., “bad patients” are a product of the environment that can be fixed by altering the environment in a very similar fashion to how “criminals” are a overwhelmingly byproduct of the system and surrounding conditions.

                  • hashbrowns4life [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    31·
                    2 months ago

                    Automatically assuming that bad patients don’t exist is faulty in and of itself. Of course some people don’t want to be helped - Not everyone is ready to be helped, and not everyone thinks that they need to be “helped”. You cannot help someone that doesn’t want to be helped.