Dude just loves riling himself up into a frenzy, doesn’t he? I guess he was mad that Hasan was going to interview Obama, which never even happened, and now he thinks Hasan is a “genocide supporter” because a random YouTube clip he came across that said “Hasan supports Kamala’s policies”, which he never even watched and was most likely just clipped. Hasan isn’t perfect, but fuck, you think at least him going to the DNC as a journalist would be considered fair from BE. Wild.

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      Hasan is generally extremely treat-brained, and he isn’t as harsh on liberalism or as supportive of AES as us. The difference in opinion is whether he serves the purpose of radicalizing liberals, or preventing further radicalization.

      I’m of the opinion that he generally works more for radicalization than against it.

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              they banned r/cth because we kept posting John Brown memes

              That may have been their excuse to pull the trigger but the reason they banned us was because the sub was becoming very well known, with posts regularly making it to the front page. During a time when reddit was really starting to actively sanitize itself of any actual leftism (for the sake of advertisers, profit, etc. as well as for the sake of becoming the major NATO propaganda hub that it is today) r/cth represented the complete opposite of the direction they were steering the platform. It was quite literally a purge of leftists across the platform and it would have happened whether or not we toed the line by not saying slave owners deserve death anymore or posting John Brown memes. In short, the sub was just starting to get some hints of more mainstream internet attention and there was no way in hell they were going to let that stand.

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      Maybe it’s just an artefact of the inherent tribalism in any active movement. I haven’t really made up my mind fully on this, but it does seem more and more true that “in group” fighting over differences is more vitriolic than out group?

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        In-group fighting can seem more intense because mutual understanding is assumed, vs outgroup. Marxists can laugh at liberals but tend to take other Marxists seriously enough to get upset, as an example

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        Its not in group out group fighting its indovidualism. Individuals thinking they know the way and need to attack others for not thinking that way, instead of being systematic about pushing everybody forward.

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          defending treatbrained streamers as your vanguard of systematic “pushing everybody forward” is actually an extremely capitalist-realist analysis. the way forwards is not twitch streamers, stop trying to make capitalist entertainment products into your friends and also the revolution.

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            Even Hasan would agree with this analysis lol.

            That being said, he did say in a recent stream that “you aren’t going to vote the revolution in” so I’d say he’s more then a “treatbrained streamer”.

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            We live in capitalism. Whatever method we use, capitalism will be involved. If someone makes money on Twitch while helpfully radicalizing more people in the right direction, I see that as a good thing. It’s definitely worked in the opposite direction to make reactionaries, and there’s no reason to give up those methods.

            It’s like how electoralism won’t save us but by running and being crushed Bernie helped radicalized a lot of people. He definitely did more good doing that and introducing socialist ideas, making more future anarchists and socialists than basically every socialist I know of, than every every podcaster or reading circle I’ve seen since.

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              If someone makes money on Twitch while helpfully radicalizing more people in the right direction, I see that as a good thing.

              I mean, the 2024 election year is very dead. You had at least Bernie Sanders sheep dogging people into the Democratic Party in 2016 and 2020. Now, there’s not even a need for a sheep dog. You’re a Trump supporter if you bring up anything. Like, I don’t really think a lot of people are radicalizing as stated. Something isn’t working as believed.

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                It’s not great, especially materially, but narrative-wise things look better than when I was a kid in the 90’s: the USSR had fallen, and everyone agreed communism had failed. You couldn’t even say the word “socialist” let alone “communist” when I was younger, let alone anyone admit they were one. I think there’s just been a liberal backlash to these changes as they try to reconstitute control and power of the narrative, but there’s been progress.

                The main problem as I see it is just we’re not organizing fast enough for the problems capitalism are causing, like climate change, and also foreign policy is still dog shit among most progressives. Also, I worry that this revolutionary atmosphere happened in the 60’s too and was dismantled by the police state, so I’m hoping we learned some lessons from that time somehow.

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                  The main problem as I see it is just we’re not organizing fast enough for the problems capitalism are causing

                  Wonder if that has anything to do with kids sitting inside watching a guy be “radical” on their behalf and feeling like they’ve done something?

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                Dude I don’t even watch Hasan. I’ve learned more about him here on hexbear than I have anywhere else lol. But the point is that I now see more kids complain about modern imperialism and talk about other concepts I would’ve never imagined could’ve pierced the liberal media bubble who mention him than at any other time in life (since maybe peak Chapo?). You’ve got to adapt to the times and environment we have, and start somewhere.

                Or you could let that whole audience get scooped up by Tim Pool, Destiny, Joe Rogan, Vaush, don’t know who else is popular on the streaming circuit but you get my point. Because, believe it or not, consumed media does make a HUGE difference. It’s half the reason this current fight is so damn hard right right now, because of manufactured consent in the media.

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            Im not talking about streamers i mean on the left in general. Before there was twitter there were 400 groups writing position papers on each others position papers and getting nothing done