It’s really frustrating, I was talking to someone about how successful China has been in de-radicalization of reactionaries. But they responded to this by saying they’re only successful because, and I quote “put them all in concentration camps and killed them”
Has anyone here been successful in deprogramming people about this topic? If so any good sources I can use to dissuade them? I tried telling them that the UN report, if you read it, just says that there’s concerns about abuse by internment offcials, and there’s no evidence of genocide. But when I say this they just dismiss it as if the UN is controlled by the PRC. It’s like a religion to liberals to believe anything bad about China and can get really frustrating.
This is shifting the goal posts
The discussion is about genocide, the destruction of an entire ethnic group, not human rights abuses. I don’t doubt that there are human rights abuses at a reeducation camp - by its very nature, any form of imprisonment will involve the abuse of human rights - and this is the conclusion the UN came to
Genocide is a much more serious and extraordinary claim to make, far beyond “human rights abuses”. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there’s been zero evidence of a genocide
The agreed term includes the destruction of a religious group. That could totally happen by forcibly converting people in education camps or by indoctrinating their children. It doesn’t have to be murder.
“Hmm today I will pull an extraordinary claim clear out of my ass”
No you see the extraordinary claim is that the dastardly seeeseeepeeee would NOT do a genocide. Its totally ordinary that they would, so no evidence needed tankie
Oh btw, i think what’s happening in Gaza is inexcusable, but letting Trump do it would be more inexcusable so
blue or your privilege is showing sweaty 
They’re building new mosques in Xinjiang as we speak, there’s footage of people in Xinjiang openly celebrating Muslim holidays in the streets in crowds way to big to credibly be called fake.
Any harm China has done to the Muslim faith within its borders for its whole existence is 1/100000th if what Israel has done in the past month.
They teach the locals mandarin, the national language of China
They put children in schools free of charge even if their parents disagree, that’s just state mandated compulsory education.
Suddenly you become a discount ISIS Islamic primitivist when speaking about Muslims in a historically underdeveloped region of China but I doubt you would hold the same traditionalism for muslim refugees coming to the West after being displaced by said imperial core.
Any evidence of forcible conversion or childhood indoctrination?
Where is the burden of proof now? Surely you don’t think it’s on us to prove a negative. Don’t you think it’s strange that you’re just sort of supposing that it’s happening with seemingly no evidence?
Which is also not happening.
ever heard of Hui peoples?