This is no honeymoon, the American “left” will never recover from the Harris/Walz combo; every major base of support (demographic/economic) is covered; Black woman with a jovial heartlandish white man standing behind her is the universal password for the legendary “competent American fascism” software update leftists have been prophesying.
They got this shit locked for at least eight years, Walz is suburbanite catnip and Harris has the identity libs eating out her hands, along with big tech, wallstreet, and the zionist lobby who are now methodically eliminating the last holdouts of the post-2016 nascent left movement
There is no credible avenue of leverage here, the libs can effectively respond to any leftist utterance with accusations of racism, misogyny, and purity testing and it will stick. Already we have most liberals being one rhetorical step away from defending Walz unleashing the National Guard on BLM protesters
There is no point in engaging with domestic national politics at this current time, the ball is firmly overseas
The only series of events that can undermine this new DNC paradigm is Israel blowing up the world and the US mobilizing to save it. Not even the collapse of Ukraine can dent it now, since that was “Biden’s project”
Hate to say it, but the DNC won a firm generational victory
Yeah, none of these people winning is doom or bloom. Its going to be difficult for any president in the foreseeable future to ever be popular, and not have shiy approval ratings, because peoples lives are going to get worse regardless
Honestly I think more people here then we care to admit bought into the Trump accelerationism argument, or at least found Libs so annoying and condescending, that they actually were EXCITED for Trump to win and are now let down that the DNC suddenly seemed to become way more competent.
Here’s the thing, if Trump wins and turns out to be as bad as Dems said (as unlikely as that is), I don’t think that’s gonna do the left any favors, we’re small enough a week long fascist purge could just wipe us out and then Libs would just be left cowering. If Trump was just about as bad as he was his first term (much more likely), still, would not be any good for the left, because we already saw what happened the first time, all the baby leftists and progressives got spooked into becoming DNC simps to make the scary Cheetos go away so they could get back to brunch.
Heck, I still think it’s unlikely, but I’d say it’s slightly more possible things getting shittier under the Dems would be better for the left. People couldn’t claim the incremental reforms are working anymore.
I said in 2020 that Bidenand not Trump was the accelerationist candidate. I think Harris is too. A succession of oneterm presidents to show how pointless electoralism is.
My point is just, their are no “generational” victories here.
Is that not exactly what they’ve been doing during the entire Biden admin? Reminder that they sociologically ended an ongoing pandemic and most Leftists went along with it.
The memory of Trump is too fresh, the threat of him winning next election enough to keep the Libs in a state of frightened simping. If Trump actually gets owned and fades away, we may end up back in the Obama years. I remember a lot of young Libs getting pushed leftward a bit by what a let down Obama was.
As I was saying elsewhere in the thread, the Obama years weren’t all that different than now. Obama got away with a lot because he came on the tail end of the Bush years. Occupy was crushed, the Flint water crisis, the ACA, libs were defending his ass all the way. Honestly, it’s really been a rerun, especially when people here started simping over that joke of a Student Loan means testing bullshit that they happily threw everyone else under the bus for… all for it to fizzle out. Small miracle people here haven’t picked up a torch for the latest plan.
Yeah but it felt like people were actually willing to do stuff under Obama cuz there wasn’t this fear that if you raise too much of a stink under him you’ll just help Bush get back into office. Occupy did happen. BLM protests did happen.
The threat of Trumps return has a strong pacifying effect. The Palestinian encampment feel like the only major protest that happened under Biden, there were several police violence incidents under him but almost not BLM activity.
I think that’s less to do with Trump and more to do with BLM being largely consumed by the Dems. We’re still seeing Cop City protests and whatnot, but people are also getting killed over it while Libs look the other way and Dems pour more money into policing. Maybe protests are becoming less palatable as people realize its direct action that gets things done, but i dunno, could just as easily be people are giving up.
Part of the reason that Dem capture worked though is how many “progressives” and “succs” softened their view on the DNC once Trump was in power. I saw it unfold in every moderate left space I saw, things went from “the Dems suck but we have to vote for them strategically” to “we can push them left once Trump is out” to “OMG BIDEN IS MORE PROGRESSIVE THAN OBAMA!”
And once Biden was in office that shit faded a bit a year or so into his presidency, but then reared it’s head again once we started getting closer to the next election.
It probably isn’t going to matter any way, the western left will most likely continue to be an absolute joke, but if I had to place a bet I would say the western left would actually have very slightly better odds under the DNC.
I really hate it when people make sweeping optimistic claims one way or the other about one candidate or party leading to “shittier” outcomes. It’s so vague as to be virtually un-contestable
In my view, the work that needs doing is the same in either scenario, but what changes is the level of disillusionment toward leftist radicalization. I think there’s validity to how contented people will end up feeling under harris/walz, but I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing. I get nervous when people get excited about the ‘worse’ candidate because generally I don’t think fast and hot radicalizing fires are sustainable. I don’t really have a historical example for this, I just feel like only a handful of states have made the socialist transition successfully and they were all in places where industrialization had yet to really raise living standards
I think the path for a successful US socialist/communist movement is much longer and involves the slow and steady disillusionment that comes from the realization that the system is broken even inder the best of leadership. I just don’t think that happens in a sudden and violent reactionary uprising - best case I think liberalism returns more fascistic than ever.
I’m not doomery at all about walz signing on. I think it’ll give us opportunity to further radicalize socdems and left leaning libs.