I dont think people doing lesser evilism/harm reduction rhetoric should be called Nazis though? Like Nazism is a very specific thing and words should remain meaning things. Just call it what it is, liberalism, liberalism is already bad enough you dont need to call liberals something else lol.
Also I promise you, if you get outside the bubble of Hexbear, there are incredibly well meaning people who still believe in lesser evil voting. Hell, that was me up until the Gaza genocide began in earnest. (I mean, I didnt vote for Biden in 2020, but that was only because I lived in a state where I felt safe making a statement vote). I was full on in communism, I just though lesser evil voting was the right strategy for the proletariat. I wont bother arguing my reasons because I dont believe them anymore lol, but reality is a lot of people do think that way. A lot of them are queer people who have been gaslit by the Dems and their supporters into believing that Dems will protect them from being killed for being queer and think lesser evilism is self preservation. They’re wrong, but their motives are definitely not Nazism. In fact I largely see them as victims of a proactivly gaslighting political party. In their minds they dont think voting for Biden will make the genocide worse so they don’t see a problem with it. It took me a loooooong time to understand how my vote is actively an endorsement of the bad things a politician does because in my mind I wasnt voting for that, I was voting specifically for the differences. It took me until very recently to understand that the politician doesnt see it that way and sees it as an endorsement of everything they are doing.
Now granted, they dont go around talking down to communists who are anti-electoral (or anti-electoral in this specific instance) or actively pushing lesser evilism ideologically, not the ones I’m specifically referring to that are part of my life anyway, its more of a personal choice for them. But still, fuck Dagwood but I think you should be accurate in what you call him. I dont see how “Get off of our instance liberal” is bad to say instead. In fact I think its a marked improvement to be accurate in what we call people.
[Unless at one point he did actual genocide denial or support in one of those posts I cant see because they were deleted lol].
Sorry, I know this is pendanticish and maybe Im getting caught up in my autism, but Ive always been against calling liberals Nazis because words mean things and liberalism is already bad. You can talk about things like how fascism is liberal capitalism in decay, how even before that decay liberalism has fascist characteristics, how liberals will always enable fascism, how liberals will start acting like fascists when scratched, and so on. Those are all true. But Id still call them separate things. Related, but separate.
Also I predict a response of like “Biden is already supporting a genocide how is he not already a fascist” and my preemptive response to that is that liberal capitalism in the imperial core has always supported genocidal actions in the exploited places. It becomes fascism when its turned inward. And while there are some things going on that are are fascistish (family separation and locking up asylum seekers in general being the biggest, but also certain things the police are doing, the movements in that direction towards trans people, and the backsliding on abortion) I’m not ready to call it that yet. Maybe the difference is that you are. But I think thats misguided if so tbh. And its not like you even said fascist, you said Nazi, which has even more characteristics specific to that specific ideology than just fascism generally that I don’t think “I think you should vote for the lesser evil in FTP liberal democracy” really crosses the line into lol.
I understand the reluctance to call them fascists, and you are correct that liberal is a disgusting sort of political position on its own. But, and I know that you tried to preempt this, they are supporting a genocide.
I know that liberal capitalism already imposes barbaric conditions and mass murder on the world, but what is happening in Gaza is different. It’s a concentration camp, filled with children, it is being relentlessly bombed. While this happens so much video footage of the horrors is coming out on the internet, that it may as well be happening in my town, may as well be happening in Dagwood’s town, in terms of visibility.
It can’t be denied, there is no plausible deniability for people supporting Biden at this point. Liberal leaders have always committed atrocities just like fascist leaders. But the rank and file members of liberal parties have always been able to comfort themselves with the illusion that they are morally upright, with Gaza they have abandoned this. They demand that we support, as they do, the genocide that we all see unfolding with our own two eyes.
And yes I did say Nazi and not simply fascist. Nazi calls to mind the death camps that these people have shown themselves to be okay with in a way that fascist doesn’t.
People like this are liberals, you’re not wrong, but there’s a reason that we say scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. People like Dagwood are thoroughly scratched.
I dont think people doing lesser evilism/harm reduction rhetoric should be called Nazis though? Like Nazism is a very specific thing and words should remain meaning things. Just call it what it is, liberalism, liberalism is already bad enough you dont need to call liberals something else lol.
Also I promise you, if you get outside the bubble of Hexbear, there are incredibly well meaning people who still believe in lesser evil voting. Hell, that was me up until the Gaza genocide began in earnest. (I mean, I didnt vote for Biden in 2020, but that was only because I lived in a state where I felt safe making a statement vote). I was full on in communism, I just though lesser evil voting was the right strategy for the proletariat. I wont bother arguing my reasons because I dont believe them anymore lol, but reality is a lot of people do think that way. A lot of them are queer people who have been gaslit by the Dems and their supporters into believing that Dems will protect them from being killed for being queer and think lesser evilism is self preservation. They’re wrong, but their motives are definitely not Nazism. In fact I largely see them as victims of a proactivly gaslighting political party. In their minds they dont think voting for Biden will make the genocide worse so they don’t see a problem with it. It took me a loooooong time to understand how my vote is actively an endorsement of the bad things a politician does because in my mind I wasnt voting for that, I was voting specifically for the differences. It took me until very recently to understand that the politician doesnt see it that way and sees it as an endorsement of everything they are doing.
Now granted, they dont go around talking down to communists who are anti-electoral (or anti-electoral in this specific instance) or actively pushing lesser evilism ideologically, not the ones I’m specifically referring to that are part of my life anyway, its more of a personal choice for them. But still, fuck Dagwood but I think you should be accurate in what you call him. I dont see how “Get off of our instance liberal” is bad to say instead. In fact I think its a marked improvement to be accurate in what we call people.
[Unless at one point he did actual genocide denial or support in one of those posts I cant see because they were deleted lol].
Sorry, I know this is pendanticish and maybe Im getting caught up in my autism, but Ive always been against calling liberals Nazis because words mean things and liberalism is already bad. You can talk about things like how fascism is liberal capitalism in decay, how even before that decay liberalism has fascist characteristics, how liberals will always enable fascism, how liberals will start acting like fascists when scratched, and so on. Those are all true. But Id still call them separate things. Related, but separate.
Also I predict a response of like “Biden is already supporting a genocide how is he not already a fascist” and my preemptive response to that is that liberal capitalism in the imperial core has always supported genocidal actions in the exploited places. It becomes fascism when its turned inward. And while there are some things going on that are are fascistish (family separation and locking up asylum seekers in general being the biggest, but also certain things the police are doing, the movements in that direction towards trans people, and the backsliding on abortion) I’m not ready to call it that yet. Maybe the difference is that you are. But I think thats misguided if so tbh. And its not like you even said fascist, you said Nazi, which has even more characteristics specific to that specific ideology than just fascism generally that I don’t think “I think you should vote for the lesser evil in FTP liberal democracy” really crosses the line into lol.
I understand the reluctance to call them fascists, and you are correct that liberal is a disgusting sort of political position on its own. But, and I know that you tried to preempt this, they are supporting a genocide.
I know that liberal capitalism already imposes barbaric conditions and mass murder on the world, but what is happening in Gaza is different. It’s a concentration camp, filled with children, it is being relentlessly bombed. While this happens so much video footage of the horrors is coming out on the internet, that it may as well be happening in my town, may as well be happening in Dagwood’s town, in terms of visibility.
It can’t be denied, there is no plausible deniability for people supporting Biden at this point. Liberal leaders have always committed atrocities just like fascist leaders. But the rank and file members of liberal parties have always been able to comfort themselves with the illusion that they are morally upright, with Gaza they have abandoned this. They demand that we support, as they do, the genocide that we all see unfolding with our own two eyes.
And yes I did say Nazi and not simply fascist. Nazi calls to mind the death camps that these people have shown themselves to be okay with in a way that fascist doesn’t.
People like this are liberals, you’re not wrong, but there’s a reason that we say scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. People like Dagwood are thoroughly scratched.