• FnordPrefect [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Because if there’s one takeaway from Lincoln’s presidency, it’s that it’s always worthwhile to do and say heinous things to try to appease the chuds. They will appreciate your consideration and compromise and definitely not start a war and just assassinate you anyway

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      Like the whole point of Lincoln was that he realized he was fucking wrong, and that he needed to abolish slavery to preserve the union, and if he hadn’t done this we would remember him as one of the worst presidents in history from our side of the Mason Dixon line.

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        He also learned by trying the lib way at first, by holding to an obsession with respecting the “consent of property holders” that he got from his political hero, the slave-holding liberal gradualist Henry Clay. And the slave owners in the border states spat in his face everywhere he tried voluntary compensated emancipation, including in Biden’s home state of Delaware. After that the gloves came off.

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      And the right wingers really appreciated his nuanced take and respected the fact that he was being really generous in his compromises and didn’t blow his brains all over the audience of a play.

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    the Founders’ vision of containing slavery for the purpose of eventually extinguishing it

    Categorically not the founders vision re slavery

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      “We have to keep doing slavery so that at some point in the future we can stop it” is dems current argument for private health insurance, abortion rights, climate change and every conceivable version of political reform.

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      George Washington moving his slaves out of Pennsylvania every six months to avoid having to emancipate them after the state ruled enslaved people must be freed after six months of living in the state, and later abusing his presidential powers to start a manhunt for one of his escaped slaves: joker-amerikkklap

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      many of them thought it would just eventually, at some undetermined point, be obsolete wihtout bloodshed and therefore it was no big deal that they did it extremely unthusiastically

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        Mmm you sometimes see that rhetoric (alongside the more common rhetoric about inferior races born to serve whites, or comparisons to Ancient Rome and the “historical inevitability” of slavery which were far more prevalent) but when you see these gradualist approaches they were very self serving.

        For example, a lot of hay gets made from the fact that Jefferson championed a law to ban the importation of slaves. The fact he led US branch of the fight against the Atlantic slave trade is given as a reason for why, despite owning hundreds of slaves himself, he wasn’t some hypocrite when declaring all men are equal.

        But the fact that gets left out is that Jefferson was a slave breeder. The primary economic activity of his slave plantation was slaves. He ran a rape farm and sold the children sired by his “stud males”. So when he banned the international slave trade it was simply a self-serving protectionist policy to benefit Virginia (the major center of rape farms for breeding slaves) and directly himself as the owner of one of the larger rape farms.

        I wouldn’t put much stock in them saying stuff like “oh it’s awful I can’t wait until it just disappears one day.” That’s obviously bullshit.

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    Hell of an example to give of resisting “radicals”. And then libs wonder why Democrats are struggling to maintain the black vote.

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    “Lincoln distanced himself from the radicals in his party by making it clear he was an explicit white supremacist.”

    Uhhhh seems like that “radical fringe” was the only people on the right side of history. Wonder if that’s gonna turn into any kind of trend.

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    One thing I always like to mention about Lincoln in this context: he was really into the idea of deporting all black people to Africa. It was his lodestar - it apparently was one thing he consistently believed in during the length of his political career.

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    If that peckerwood-assed segregationist wants to “separate himself from the far left”, then neither him, nor any of his ghoul-assed plantation-hand supporters get to harangue me for refusing to vote for that old cracker.

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          does it not say in the bible “So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.”?

          with modern interpretation, this clearly means that the right shall be left, and the left right.

          so not only is biden vindicated, but redfash commie scum is confirmed!