My girlfriend has threatened to break up with me several times now unless I cut down to a pack a week. I’m not addicted but it does help me get through my day. I keep trying to tell her that but she doesn’t believe me and keeps saying that it’s actually bad. I want to prove to my girlfriend that smoking cigarettes is actually good for you so that she can stop judging me over it but I can’t find any info online to back that up. Can anyone help me find some resources that list the health benefits of cigarettes? Like how nicotine kills germs or anything like that?

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    It should be really telling that you can’t find anything positive about cigarettes online, even when you specifically search for positive aspects.

    They cause cancer and you smell disgusting after smoking them. Just listen to your girlfriend on this.

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        I’m not addicted it’s just a habit!

        But it was true though I quit after 30 years of smoking - just went cold turkey. First few days were a bit rough because you have those moments during the day when you light one up (after eating, leaving work, …), habits.

        But it’s been a month so 💪

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        That’s actually true I could stop anytime I want to I just don’t want to right now.

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          As a half a pack a day smoker for most of my life, this is what all addicts say.

          You’re just in denial.

          If you can quit whenever you want then why is this worth the fight to you? Because you’re addicted.

          They help you get through the day because not having them is a stressor. Because you’re addicted.

          I haven’t had a cigarette in like 2 years and they still sound good sometimes. Because I’m addicted.

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            I can stop eating bread, going on lemmy, quit my job and get a new one, etc. There’s a reason we do the things we do, nicotine has legitimate value. I know OP is a troll but nicotine is a lot less addictive than so many other very unhealthy things people do every single day without batting an eye. Only thing actually bad about it is the smoke in the lungs.

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              You realize lip and gum cancer are caused by smoking as well? Not to mention teeth and skin yellowing? There are more but you get my point.

              There are so many different issues caused by so many different things in cigarettes. Smoke in the lungs is just part of the problem.

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              Nicotine in pure form has value, but all the other poison in cigarrettes is not worth any benefit of nicotine.

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            I haven’t had a cigarette in like 2 years and they still sound good sometimes. Because I’m addicted.

            maybe they sound good because smoking is fun? Not everything needs to be pathologised, you should watch the south park episode on the puedo-christian-cult Alcoholics Anonymous

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          You’re shitposting right? I mean this is what literally every addict I’ve ever met says about anything. Drugs, Beer, Cigs, Gambling, Porn, etc. they all say this exact phrase before admitting they have a problem later down the road.

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          I mean, you’d really have to want to quit, but just for fun, why not stop for a day or two?

          Let me know how your stomach and nerves feel about that in two days.

          Just humor me. Don’t smoke for two days.

          I bet you can’t.

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      You can’t think of any benefits without googling for it?

      If you didn’t have breakfast yesterday, how would you feel today?

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      You sound just like my girlfriend she’s always nagging like that “They make you smell bad and cause lung cancer” and “I feel like I’m starting to not love you anymore” stupid stuff like that.

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    I’m not addicted but it does help me get through my day.

    Yeah… you’re addicted.

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    Here’s a positive: cigarettes make a great mosquito repellent, because nicotine is a natural insecticide and the smoke/odor repels them. It also repels girlfriends and other humans, but still.

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    You want to kill germs? Use mouthwash. There’s pretty much nothing beneficial about smoking cigarettes.

    Even when you take the health considerations out of account, you will reek. I assure you, nobody wants to spend time around a partner that emits a nauseating scent. It’s a bad habit in every sense of the term.

    Yes - nicotine can be a quick stress reliever. That’s about al it’s good for.

    I understand that you need something to help you get through the days, but there are tons of other things that you could do.

    Heck, even switching to vaping will improve your health outcomes considerably. And you won’t smell.

    I don’t know why you’re fighting your girlfriend on this, it seems like she’s genuinely concerned and you’re being so stubborn as to look online to justify your addiction. Yes, you are addicted. You smoke more than a pack a week and refuse to quit or offer a compromising alternative. If I was her, I’d leave you.

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      She keeps asking me to switch to vaping and even though I like cigarettes I might do that eventually if she’s actually serious about leaving me. I just need to find the cartridges with the best nicotine so I can still get the health benefits from it.

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        “so I can still get the health benefits from it”

        Seriously, you aren’t getting healt benefits. You might feel better but that is the nicotine, it’s a psychological effect not something that is improving your physical health in any discernable way.

        Just understand, people don’t smoke because it’s good for their bodies, people smoke because it feels good, it’s an important distinction.

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          people smoke because it feels good

          Also only partially true. What feels good is mostly the satisfaction of the withdrawal symptoms that come with the addiction.

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            As an aside, the same is true for caffeine. It causes greater alertness but that lasts for only about two weeks of daily use. Beyond that, it’s just an addict getting their fix.

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            Most probably, but there is always the possibility of people either being underage, stupid or unaware due to upbringing (imagine being told your whole life something is in a particular way, it isnt unreasonable not to doubt that) and I prefer to engage honestly with people even if I look like an idiot, just in case.

            Of course when clear bad faith is shown I will just not engage, or call it out, but in

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            It really isn’t, at least in the way the term is used. For example, would you describe the feeling you get after snorting cocaine as a “health benefit” just because you feel better momentarily???

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        There are no health benefits to smoking or vaping as opposed to just not smoking. I don’t know how directly this needs to be told to you, but I think right now you’re too deep into addiction/denial to see it.

        If you love your girlfriend, sometimes it’s okay to trust them on something, especially if everyone else is also telling you the same thing, even if it’s not what you want to hear.

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        With a name like lappland, you could also try snus? I know a lot of people in Sweden who have replaced smoking with snus.

        It’s better for your lungs, you still get the nicotine, and you won’t smell and upset your partner. It’s very easy to get into, you don’t have to do a whole bunch of searching to find the perfect vape.

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          My girlfriend keeps asking me to switch to vaping but I’ll have to ask her how she feels about snus. I think I’d prefer it because its real tobacco.

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            The biggest struggle I’ve seen with snus is that kissing with snus is not pleasant. You just have to take it out and drink some water before kissing.

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        If you want liquid that will hit hard, get nicotine salt based eliquid.

        If you want to make your own, Caroline extract can’t be beat (in the USA)

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    Is this serious, or joking/trolling? Smoking is expensive, and stinky. It is without any tangible benefits. You are being silly.

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      If I was addicted I would smoke more than a pack every day. It just helps me get through the day I could stop anytime I want.

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        So try that. Go a week without smoking and see if you can do it.

        I roll the occasional smoke after lunch but it’s less than one a day. That’s how I know I’m not addicted: I go multiple days between having a smoke, I can smoke with friends on the weekend, but then not smoke by myself on weekdays. Try that to know if you’re really not addicted.

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          My girlfriend keeps asking me to do something like that but I don’t want to prove her right so I haven’t done it yet.

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            So you think she could be right? You just don’t want to do it? That reasoning doesn’t make sense. If you think she’s right you should be stopping right now.

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        “I”

        “could”

        “stop”

        “any”

        “time”

        “I”

        “want.”

        Did you really say that with a straight face? I thought that was just what people said to mock people who were clearly addicted.

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    think about it. Even online, where there are all kinds of stupid misinformation, you couldn’t find any info to back your claim.

    maybe she’s right and she loves you enough to threaten you to do something good for your health

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      maybe she’s right and she loves you enough to threaten you to do something good for your health

      Yeah, this is a good thing OP. She cares enough to have an uncomfortable conversation with you.

      In your shoes I’d show her I really wasn’t addicted by stopping.

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      If he didn’t care about me he wouldn’t get so mad

      you sound just like a battered wife, stop condoning controlling behavior

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      I don’t like living with how my girlfriend is nagging me over me smoking all the time which is why I came here to ask about the benefits.

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        You’re going to have to give up one or the other.

        Also: “I can’t find any info online to back that up” Is a clue. Asking randos online isn’t going to change the lack of evidence for what your want to believe.

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          There. Are. None. Sorry, but you won’t find any.

          Weirdly, there actually possibly are a few. Of course, OP is being ridiculous (and probably trolling) and even if there are some potential benefits to smoking they almost certainly don’t outweigh the overall risks.

          One example is Parkinson’s Disease: https://www.apdaparkinson.org/article/smoking-and-parkinsons-disease/

          Smokers actually have a lower risk of contracting Parkinson’s (although the exact reason isn’t entirely clear at the moment).

          I seem to recall there’s also some sort of lung problem where current smokers are actually better off continuing to smoke but I don’t remember the details. I think it had something to do with nicotine causing vasoconstriction in the lungs which compensated for/controlled some other issue.

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                bad faith arguments

                this is a thought terminating cliche, you have no meaningful response so you shutdown and act smug. “I could show him but, but… I just don’t want to HMPH

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              people smoke, people don’t do things that are purely detrimental. There aren’t a lot of people who chop off their own limbs for example.

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                People don’t do things that are purely detrimental? How about…

                Suicide, drunk driving, yelling at your boss, antagonizing people who might be armed, commiting crimes in places where you should know there are cameras, intentionally posting racist shit on social media where potential employers will see it, eating unidentified mushrooms, smoking crack, smoking meth, snorting cocaine, shooting heroin, speedballing, k-holing in a public place, shacking up in a public restroom, defecating in a public pool, fake attempting suicide just to get attention, autoerotic asfixiation, watching a Fast & Furious movie, having unprotected sex with strangers, getting a tattoo of your current boyfriend or girlfriend"s name, signing up for a variable-rate loan, mixing Viagra and MDMA, paying for extra lives in mobile games, eating fast food, putting things inside your butthole that you’ll need a doctor to pull out later, trying to pet a dog that’s growling at you, trying to wax your own ass, having “just one more drink” on a Sunday night, impulse shopping, and trying to get some of that earwax out with a Q-tip even though you know that’s just going to push it further in and cause it to block your hearing on that side completely until you can get someone to squirt water into your earhole and flush out the earwax stopper you just made?

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                  not responding to your gishgallop but I’m gonna say that the few I read people do it because they can and want to. Suicidal people are struggling with issues that you could never comprehend and I’m glad that some developed nations like Canada and Switzerland are giving them the medical treatment they desperately need.

                  People drink and drive because they have to regularly show up in person to do real jobs like build your roads or stock your store shelves and can’t show up to work hung over, who could blame them if you have mouths to feed. Plus if there is no victim there is no crime. I’m sure you’re able to come up with reasons YOU would yell at your boss or YOU would get a blowjob in a public restroom, you’re just being obtuse.

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    You sound like a teenager. As an almost 20 year smoker, if you’re “not addicted” then quit now.

    Health benefits aside, it’s a massive pain in the ass and a money pit. Everyone (rightfully) talks about getting lung cancer, but no one talks about how fucking annoying it is to have to stop what you’re doing every 2 hours to feed your cravings.

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      I’m not spending too much money on it I smoke under a pack a day, I could quit whenever I want to right now but I’ll just do it later.

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          I’m totally on board with you and OP is deluding themselves. However, this part

          The way it helps you get through the day would mostly be from getting relief from the withdrawal symptoms. Only addicts will get that.

          is just factually incorrect. There are reasons people take up smoking to begin with, and the nicotine rush which causes relaxation is one of them.

          Ignoring that won’t help people quit.

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        Literally what I told myself when I was 16 lmao.

        Buddy, you are not immune to nicotine addiction. You do not need to smoke a pack a day to be addicted, I currently smoke half a pack a day and am most definitely addicted. Test yourself, go a day without and see if you don’t get irritable and have cravings.

        There are no benefits to smoking. Any benefits you percieve are the cigarettes relieving withdrawl symptoms.

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        As somehow who lost a close one to cancer, quit now and not later. The more you wait, the greater the chances you’ll get cancer. Don’t wait and regret it.

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        Ok, you have to be trolling. Are you? No one uses “I could quit whenever I want to right now but I’ll just do it later” seriously.

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        Let’s assume a pack of smokes is only $7. In just one year of a pack every other day, that adds up to $1,277.

        Is that yearly subscription worth it?

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    I’m reading through the comments and every reply of yours is like another stroke of the paint brush. I will watch your dark art from afar.

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    Well, for one, you’re reducing your lifespan, so you’ll be less of a burden on the healthcare system later in life because you’ll be dead. But that’s obviously ignoring the massive burden on the healthcare system you’ll be when you’re being treated for various cancers.

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        From their link:

        Important note: smoking may offer a limited degree of protection in some individuals against the development of a small number of diseases, outlined below.

        However, this information is of little relevance to public health, given that the amount of disease that tobacco may be said to prevent is insignificant in comparison with the far greater incidence of disease caused by smoking. Tobacco products kill one in two of their long-term users.

        Why don’t you just get the health benefits in other ways that don’t include cancer?

        Nicotine patches are better than cigarettes and vaping.

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            Sorry, I didn’t realise the situation was so bad there.

            Here in New Zealand nicotine patches are free to anyone who wants to quit smoking.

            Tobacco on the other hand is highly taxed so it costs around $50 for a pack of 25 cigarettes. (USD$31)

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              yeah the healthcare system in the united states is so messed up, I’m praying every day for a single payer system but americans hate healthcare I guess.

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                Healthcare in the US is absolutely bonkers. Here in the UK I’ve paid 0 (!) quids for my lung transplant. They only required me to take a break from smoking for about 6 months (that sucked, lol).

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                Sorry, that must be hard. You’re in such a wealthy country but not everyone in it gets to benefit from that, when it comes to healthcare.

                That said, I don’t really agree with the high taxes on tobacco here. It’s an addictive substance, and the massive costs help fuel poverty. I think it should be prescription only instead.

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                get near instant access and treatment

                allowed to pay more for better services

                THIS IS THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD

                How clueless can you get?

                The only advantage to single-payer system is further encouraging fat people to get fatter. I’ve seen so many fat people clamor for this policy, it’s ridiculous.

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        You’re welcome.

        I quit after over 20 years. It was really, really hard. I still crave them. Won’t start again, just because quitting was so incredibly difficult. But, yeah. I, uh, think about it… Both sides of it.

        Be aware, I cherry picked the information you had asked for from a much larger work. Just “Chapter 3 - The health effects of active smoking” has 37 sections. Everyone but the one I linked above has a list of negative effects. Have a look at the rest of it, too.

        Chapter 3 Index: https://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-3-health-effects

        Don’t just confirm your biases. Look at the whole picture.

        Wish you the best.

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        When presenting the information to your girlfriend, please be completely honest and make sure to also show the Important Note that the researchers put at the front.

        Important note: smoking may offer a limited degree of protection in some individuals against the development of a small number of diseases, outlined below. However, this information is of little relevance to public health, given that the amount of disease that tobacco may be said to prevent is insignificant in comparison with the far greater incidence of disease caused by smoking. Tobacco products kill one in two of their long-term users.

        Half of long-term smokers die to smoking. Even if you think you can quit, the point of this study is to show that even having looked for benefits, they could only find a negligible amount of benefits compared to the harms of smoking.

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        Seriously tho, you just want/hope to find something that justifies you continuing smoking. The truth is, you have to stop. No kind of smoke is good for the lungs; cigs, weed, vape, etc. Stop before it’s too late, and it’s not just cancer that can kill you