I went to a PSL rally for Palestine and as we were doing the “whose streets? our streets!” chant, the organizers told us to move off the street to let some buses pass.
the US is hopeless, no socialist movement will ever happen in the imperial core
It’s not going to happen first. But you can’t wait until the global south rises up to do your part lol. These things need to occur simultaneously. Who do you think will be more influential when the global south’s actions start affecting the west and only fascists are out there in the streets saying they care?
I assumed 99% of the people on this site involved in organizations are already aware their socialist group isn’t going to become bolsheviks from just talking about books and chants, and that the goal was to simply exhaust the so called civil options and build a network before things get seriously. And maybe suggest to your group that they should be focusing on outreach with protests on the side.
The US is definitely hopeless if you Unironically thought a revolution would happen and became disillusioned. You should remember that communism became a threat in the west because non western countries were starting to challenge them. Then the class-and-theory revolutionaries - who served their communities in addition to protesting - were murdered and replaced with hippies, electoralists, and black supremacists
People who commit violence for you without even knowing what you stand for are untrustworthy. People who commit violence for you without being aware of the the people’s conditions are also untrustworthy.
My towns PSL does some good work, but they’re extremely gatekeepy with regards to taking on new members. 9 months of working with them and I got ghosted by the person “screening” me, or whatever you wanna call it. Hell, I did more myself than that person did. I’ve also had a comrade, who is a member on this site and one I see frequently IRL, tell me they wouldn’t offer him membership because they felt they need more minority members. My take on that is, “isn’t a comrade a comrade?”
The most basic aspect of organizing is to get other people to do things for your project. If you don’t have time to recruit and onboard people, you’ll have nobody to do things for you!
I’ve heard good things about the PSL, but I’m not American so I’ve not had any actual experience with them.
I told this story in the news mega before:
I went to a PSL rally for Palestine and as we were doing the “whose streets? our streets!” chant, the organizers told us to move off the street to let some buses pass.
the US is hopeless, no socialist movement will ever happen in the imperial core
Of all the things to criticize PSL for this is probably the worst one I’ve heard
“what do we want?”
“incremental change!”
“when do we want it?”
“whenever it’s convenient for the ruling class!”
making way for public transit isn’t too bad tbh
It’s not going to happen first. But you can’t wait until the global south rises up to do your part lol. These things need to occur simultaneously. Who do you think will be more influential when the global south’s actions start affecting the west and only fascists are out there in the streets saying they care?
I assumed 99% of the people on this site involved in organizations are already aware their socialist group isn’t going to become bolsheviks from just talking about books and chants, and that the goal was to simply exhaust the so called civil options and build a network before things get seriously. And maybe suggest to your group that they should be focusing on outreach with protests on the side.
The US is definitely hopeless if you Unironically thought a revolution would happen and became disillusioned. You should remember that communism became a threat in the west because non western countries were starting to challenge them. Then the class-and-theory revolutionaries - who served their communities in addition to protesting - were murdered and replaced with hippies, electoralists, and black supremacists
People who commit violence for you without even knowing what you stand for are untrustworthy. People who commit violence for you without being aware of the the people’s conditions are also untrustworthy.
Yup.
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Have you read Lenin’s Left-Wing Comminism? He makes a pretty good argument for why communists should run in bourgeois elections.
That video slaps. Criticisms aside, good luck to them in reaching some more people.
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Seems to be from location to location. I got some hope for the one in my town, but they’re generally actually doing some praxis under that banner.
My towns PSL does some good work, but they’re extremely gatekeepy with regards to taking on new members. 9 months of working with them and I got ghosted by the person “screening” me, or whatever you wanna call it. Hell, I did more myself than that person did. I’ve also had a comrade, who is a member on this site and one I see frequently IRL, tell me they wouldn’t offer him membership because they felt they need more minority members. My take on that is, “isn’t a comrade a comrade?”
Maybe you could get more minority members if you had more members organizing…
Exactly.
Sounds like they’re just plain incompetent.
The most basic aspect of organizing is to get other people to do things for your project. If you don’t have time to recruit and onboard people, you’ll have nobody to do things for you!