But you don’t want to be in an argument in the first place.
wut. the point isn’t to argue, it’s to embarrass. argument is inevitable, some lib interlocutor isn’t going to read your JFK take and think to themselves, ‘hmm yes I’ve been convinced by this perfect point I have no way to refute’. they will reply.
unless you’re talking about some 1:1 discussion but I don’t think agitprop has a place there.
let’s look at how this plays out in both scenarios
‘Castro freed the slaves’:
[from soapbox] gusanos just miss their slaves <- effective
[lib in gallery] well ackshually slavery abolished 18whatever <- nerd shit, maybe persuasive if let go
[from soapbox] [any of the myriad replies in the comments here] <- effective
‘JFK details the crimes of Batista’:
[from soapbox] JFK had this interesting speech about Batista…[wordy leftist meme] <- nerd shit
[lib in gallery] he said that before the firing squads <- effective
[from soapbox] well akshually, <- you’ve already lost
Sure, you’re always going to get some lib disagreeing with you. You’re not going to convince some lib reply guy, but you might convince some skeptical person reading along. And lurkers far outnumber posters.
Here’s how these conversations play out for that skeptical person:
Leftist: Castro freed slaves.
Lib: Cuba freed its slaves in 1886, you don’t know Basic History.
Skeptical person: [Googles “when did Cuba free its slaves,” finds 1886, disregards leftist and whatever else they argue.]
Or,
Leftist: Even the guy who invaded Cuba said Bautista was a monster and the Revolution was a popular uprising, here’s a link.
Lib: That was before the firing squads.
Leftist: Shooting the enforcers of a monstrous dictator is good, actually.
Skeptical person: [Clicks on link, “huh Kennedy really did say that, I guess Bautista really was that bad” keeps listening.]
I’m suggesting a skeptical person will do some minimal amount of checking on a claim they don’t immediately believe. When they see someone say Cuba had slaves in 1959, they’ll google it. When they see someone provide a link to a speech and summarize it, they’ll skim the link.
You are never going to convince the redditor brigade of anything that runs contrary to their slop. The goal when arguing publicly with a Batista defender is not to have a good faith exchange of ideas, it’s to mock and humiliate so that onlookers will associate that person’s politics with being a stammering fascist nerd who well akshually’s in all directions trying to defend the plainly indefensible. The correct response to such a person pulling out the “technically it was sparkling servitude” card is to bully them into the ether for it.
wut. the point isn’t to argue, it’s to embarrass. argument is inevitable, some lib interlocutor isn’t going to read your JFK take and think to themselves, ‘hmm yes I’ve been convinced by this perfect point I have no way to refute’. they will reply.
unless you’re talking about some 1:1 discussion but I don’t think agitprop has a place there.
let’s look at how this plays out in both scenarios
‘Castro freed the slaves’:
‘JFK details the crimes of Batista’:
Sure, you’re always going to get some lib disagreeing with you. You’re not going to convince some lib reply guy, but you might convince some skeptical person reading along. And lurkers far outnumber posters.
Here’s how these conversations play out for that skeptical person:
Or,
look if we’re going to apply the uncharitable jump to conclusion you’re doing in the first you’ve gotta apply it to the second
Here’s how these conversations play out for that skeptical person:
Or,
I’m suggesting a skeptical person will do some minimal amount of checking on a claim they don’t immediately believe. When they see someone say Cuba had slaves in 1959, they’ll google it. When they see someone provide a link to a speech and summarize it, they’ll skim the link.
Hell yeah, I agree with this
that is my useless contribution to this exchange.