America is genocidal, sure, but so is every single other society in the history of civilization. America is exceptional because of the technology and the art it contributed to genocide, which is the goal of every civiliztion, remember. Pointing out the difference in scale of US atrocities just prevents us working together for greater justice.

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    You said you’re American and are aware that this country was built on genocide. Then you said every major civilization has committed genocide (equivocating, but that’s beside the point of my question). What genocides have India and China committed?

    Follow-on question, what genocides were Indian and Chinese civilizations built on? What about Persian civilization?

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      The Naga-Kuki war (1660-1948) The Maratha-Mughal wars (1680-1707)

      China’s history is filled with Dynastic tyranny— each associated with brutal, repressive military conflicts.

      Not sure where you are heading with that.

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        Like I said, collapsing historical continuity past the point of logical coherence

        Also blatantly ignoring the fact Chinese and Indian civilization were not built on the basis of those wars and the fact the states that prosecuted those wars no longer exist

        The US state on the otherhand maintains a legal and poltical continuity all the way back to 1776 and continues to inflict atrocities based on the sociopolitical economic logic of its founding

        Also I love how you obviously just googled random wars from Indian and Chinese history as if that means something, kid log off and go do your homework

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          And you seem perfectly willing to completely disregard those wars, oppression, and tyranny because it doesn’t service the narrative that… what? That no country has ever been as horrible as the United States? Really?

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            How should one regard a 400 year old war perpetrated by a state that no longer exists for a poltical tradition no one alive follows?

            The only reason you bring up this irrelevant nonsense is because you want to trivialize and downplay the very recent and extremely relevant crimes of the US empire which currently dominates the world

            It’s such a childish and disingenuous argument, but hey I don’t expect honesty or historical literacy from brain dead fascists

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              Well, perhaps I’ve lost the thread.

              Convince me.

              Please restate your specific claim? It can’t be simply that you are the superior scholar, right? So go ahead — state it?

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                    You misunderstand, when someone keeps flailing long after they make it clear they have nothing useful to say, there’s not much of a “debate” worth having with them.

                    Ad hom is if I said “you are stupid, therefore your argument is wrong”. Like all genuine fallacies, it is an incorrect inference. I am not making this claim, I am simply saying “you are stupid”. Your arguments are paper-thin (like your accusation of me doing an ad hom), so those can be addressed as needed, but my goal there was simply to inform you that you’re a moron.

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                    folks who ask for specific claims, reasons, and evidence?

                    Is this how you see your contributions to this thread? You’re a person coming in here “ask[ing] for specific claims, reasons, and evidence”?