archive.today • Democratic Leaders Are More Optimistic About Biden 2024 Than Voters - The New York Times

“I’m looking at all the polling, and I’m amazed that it has so little to do with reality. […] A big part of it is just pure ageism. The American people are prejudiced against old people.”

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“It’s not just about which president can get through the day without tripping or stumbling over their words, which everybody is going to do, but which president is going to lead this country forward in a way that helps people solve problems and keeps American democracy intact.”

  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    “I’m looking at all the polling, and I’m amazed that it has so little to do with reality. […] A big part of it is just pure ageism. The American people are prejudiced against old people.”

    You’re just ageist if you’re against my incredibly terrible neoliberal policies that are hurting you.

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      What, you haven’t seen the gish gallop going around of all of bidens accomplishments? Even though they credit him for stuff that hasn’t happened?

      My favorite is how they say “he forgave student loans, but the republicans took it away”. Like, motherfucker… he didn’t forgive SHIT then!

      Apparently the bar is now “he tried, therefore he fulfilled his promise. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t get any results”

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      “It’s not just about which president can get through the day without tripping or stumbling over their words, which I am going to do because my brain is rancid clam chowder, but which president is going to God Bless America I Pledge Allegiance to the Amber Waves of Grain From Sea to Shining United States of the Democrats - you know the thing. Vote.”

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        How do you think they got him to quit challenging audience members to push up contests and calling them fat?

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          “Senator Biden, we are respectfully asking you to quit challenging audience members to push up contests and calling them fat.”

          “But I’m fit. I’m not old. I mean not old-old. I’m up in years but not old-old. Never old-old. Soon enough I’ll be president-president. And if they’re fat - they’re fat!” He starts to speechify - “When I was a boy in Scranton, PA - my poppy used to—”

          “But if we do as we ask - you’ll like it.”

          “I will?”

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        This emoji has been an incredible addition to the hexbear emoji pantheon. The perfect tool for belittling the smug Reddit brained dorks into submission. This is the AK-47 of emojis. A flawless design that will stand the test of time and serve us well no matter how muddy it gets here in the posting trenches.

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    Lol dem operatives just straight up doing the Principal Skinner meme. Is Biden too old? No, it’s the voters who are wrong.

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      Hexbears are cynical about r/politics and of course I agree but if you actually hang out there - you notice something that happens like clockwork. Redditors there can be (very) critical of something like Biden’s age and the age of the other dinosaurs in congress. But once an election is “close” in time like clockwork they start to close ranks and they begin to sound like dem operatives. They won’t go as far as…

      No, it’s the voters who are wrong.

      But they do make things binary - “Look, Biden’s not perfect but nobody is and you don’t want Trump to win - do you?”

      Before Trump - close in time to an election was ~6 months out. Now “close” can be more than a year out. A few weeks ago I started a Hexbear thread about a front page r/politics post that already had a binary vibe. Although astroturfing in that sub exists - I think many of the redditors were real people. For me - it makes it worse if many comments are real.

      Principal Skinner meme

      I wonder if you used that in a r/politics comment if you’d get a warning (or even a ban) from the mods. It’s such a shit sub. They act like every thread is equivalent to a debate in a large room with expensive wood paneling and the quality of the discourse must be policed accordingly.

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        I see the principal skinner meme being quoted there once in a while. As far as I can tell, it flies under the ban radar, but the libs will just say “yes. It is the voters who are wrong”. If I see another one, I’ll come back and link it. I swear I saw one today

        Edit: here it is

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        We should switch to six year terms with a confidence vote at 3 years. Dont pass the confidence vote? You dont get to run for a second term.

        Oh and the confidence vote has to be raw numbers no electoral fuckery or congressional approval.

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          I mean, the midterms are already a vote of confidence.

          If you changed it to be a single six year term, then maybe that would work, but we already have that for senators and they suck shit.

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    Amazing article. Took seven paragraphs to mention anything of material impact to the general public and even further into the second half of the article to expand on critiques of the Dem strategy (like trying to make this about Trump, not focusing enough on American’s material needs). Just another example of the vapid political journalism of American.

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      No! He’s the only one that can beat trumputler! He’s the most electable (whatever that’s supposed to mean)

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    A big part of it is just pure ageism.

    if you’re so fucking old that you can barely string a sentence together, you should not be in charge of a fucking country
    if that makes me ageist then fuck it, i don’t care

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    I have never liked the “ageism” thing. I don’t hate him cause he is old, I hate cause he has a very long very bad stat sheet. He has had some of the worst political influences and instincts one could imagine for a 2024 candidate. Biden is truly yesterday’s man . I hate him cause just bad at politics.

    Being old sucks but in and of itself isn’t the reason I think a bad pick.

    I am voting for Dr.West. Funky Philosopher President 2024

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    Remember, it will be the voter’s fault in the end if the democratic leaders don’t get what they want.