If you grew up before 2010 and nerd culture you would realize that liking sports was not optional. You were mocked as gay. You couldn’t keep up in small talk with your boss and would get passed over for promotion. It was mandatory to watch sports or you would be stigmatized. There was eventually pushback to that hegemony via the “sportsball” meme and mocking sports for being silly. Everyone seems to have forgotten how oppressive and toxic American sports culture was (and continues to be, schools are still getting gutted to make way for more football shit. Stadiums are still built with slave labor. Now it just makes you a “loser” instead of a “f**” to hate sports but the toxic masculinity underlying it is still there as you can see even in this thread)
for growing up with same shit i did. I hope that it has changed enough for people to not get it, but i kind of doubt its changed that much. Just unexamined patriarchy
i think the person I’m replying to isn’t American, which probably shows where the difference is coming from. It is possible for most sports to have a healthy place in society, and in different countries they may have struck the balance a bit better I don’t know. But in the USA it’s absolutely absurd the amount that people who worship sports and sacrifice people’s health and educations on the pedestal of a game, and it’s very sad how many poor kids grow up thinking its their only avenue out of poverty - destroying their bodies and forsaking their educations for a 0.01% chance at becoming a pro player. Americans overall act like everything is normal and fine, but it’s not. Sports need a serious reckoning and they need a complete divorce from schools and heavy, heavy taxation to remove a lot of the profit that creates perverse incentives.
If we could have publicly funded sports broadcasts without ads that didn’t make any profit, that would be one step for progress. Another would of course be to create a publicly funded youth sports program that is entirely divorced from schools and colleges, their funds entirely disentangled and separate, that would be another step. I’m fine with sports existing, but right now they are a parasitic growth. College sports need to be banned in all public schools across the board. Get rid of sports scholarships, make them illegal, and make public colleges free.
Would you say I’m being a bit theatrical? A bit fruity? A bit hysterical? lmao you aren’t helping your case that this is toxic masculinity being enforced
Treatbrained concern trolls often need to frame people they disagree with as emotionally unstable, mentally ill, or female/queer coded weak and they may not even consciously do it.
Being obsessed with sports and destroying all other aspects of social life and replacing it with sports is normal and the baseline. Questioning that? Wow, what are you a GIRL? A FREAKING WIMP?!?
It’s funny cause usually people see how nonsensical the “let people enjoy things” angle is, but when it comes to sports we now have to let people enjoy them even though there’s demonstrable social harm attached. I haven’t even touched on how interwoven militarism and nationalism are in sports either. There’s so many angles to come at this from because American sports culture is so uniquely fucked up
But according to treat defending verions of crude sophistically-applied materialist theory, everyone in the world would be exactly the same way and do the exact same actions whether they were watching a soccer game or collecting stamps. Hooligan riots would be stamp collector riots in an alternate dimension
to you @[email protected] Just enjoyed this exchange as a fellow 80’s kid who lived through and hated sports being forced on kids. It’s really depressing to see some of these takes
I grew up in the 80s and your concern trolling is tinged with residual misogyny/homophobia that’s so watered down that you maybe don’t see it yourself.
I wonder how old people with takes like this are.
If you grew up before 2010 and nerd culture you would realize that liking sports was not optional. You were mocked as gay. You couldn’t keep up in small talk with your boss and would get passed over for promotion. It was mandatory to watch sports or you would be stigmatized. There was eventually pushback to that hegemony via the “sportsball” meme and mocking sports for being silly. Everyone seems to have forgotten how oppressive and toxic American sports culture was (and continues to be, schools are still getting gutted to make way for more football shit. Stadiums are still built with slave labor. Now it just makes you a “loser” instead of a “f**” to hate sports but the toxic masculinity underlying it is still there as you can see even in this thread)
i think the person I’m replying to isn’t American, which probably shows where the difference is coming from. It is possible for most sports to have a healthy place in society, and in different countries they may have struck the balance a bit better I don’t know. But in the USA it’s absolutely absurd the amount that people who worship sports and sacrifice people’s health and educations on the pedestal of a game, and it’s very sad how many poor kids grow up thinking its their only avenue out of poverty - destroying their bodies and forsaking their educations for a 0.01% chance at becoming a pro player. Americans overall act like everything is normal and fine, but it’s not. Sports need a serious reckoning and they need a complete divorce from schools and heavy, heavy taxation to remove a lot of the profit that creates perverse incentives.
If we could have publicly funded sports broadcasts without ads that didn’t make any profit, that would be one step for progress. Another would of course be to create a publicly funded youth sports program that is entirely divorced from schools and colleges, their funds entirely disentangled and separate, that would be another step. I’m fine with sports existing, but right now they are a parasitic growth. College sports need to be banned in all public schools across the board. Get rid of sports scholarships, make them illegal, and make public colleges free.
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Would you say I’m being a bit theatrical? A bit fruity? A bit hysterical? lmao you aren’t helping your case that this is toxic masculinity being enforced
Treatbrained concern trolls often need to frame people they disagree with as emotionally unstable, mentally ill, or female/queer coded weak and they may not even consciously do it.
Being obsessed with sports and destroying all other aspects of social life and replacing it with sports is normal and the baseline. Questioning that? Wow, what are you a GIRL? A FREAKING WIMP?!?
It’s NOT NORMAL and it EMBARRASSES LEFTISM. You need to TOUCH GRASS and by that I mean consume sports treats on the screen.
It’s funny cause usually people see how nonsensical the “let people enjoy things” angle is, but when it comes to sports we now have to let people enjoy them even though there’s demonstrable social harm attached. I haven’t even touched on how interwoven militarism and nationalism are in sports either. There’s so many angles to come at this from because American sports culture is so uniquely fucked up
But according to treat defending verions of crude sophistically-applied materialist theory, everyone in the world would be exactly the same way and do the exact same actions whether they were watching a soccer game or collecting stamps. Hooligan riots would be stamp collector riots in an alternate dimension
Stamp collector riots
Never stop posting
I grew up in the 80s and your concern trolling is tinged with residual misogyny/homophobia that’s so watered down that you maybe don’t see it yourself.
I also grew up in the 80s and 90s and Ulysses is 100% correct and it was often times even worse.