• LaGG_3 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    I sometimes wonder if it’s appropriate to be mad at a child for shitty takes, but I think “driving a car that’s worth more than my annual pay” qualifies you as an adult in the context of a revolutionary tribunal.

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      It is just kind of sad to have such a myopic worldview that you cannot imagine anything being better than a fucking Biden presidency. Wow, there was job growth after large parts of the economy was closed down due to quarantines which you ended forcing people back to precarious work during a still ongoing pandemic. What a fucking achievement.

      It is also a bit wanting to have your cake and eat it too, they pretend to care for the poor and want to be seen as “good people”, but they’re still solidly in the fuck you got mine mindset.

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        They’re genuinely astonished that the majority of us don’t want to die for the preservation of their creature comforts.

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      There are few symptoms of sheer liberal privilege more obnoxious than the urge to tell the world how much they don’t care. debord-tired

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        porky-happy: “Sorry kiddo, but nothing’s free in this world! Except for labor. People will work for free, right? If not, they’ll just have to die on the streets and then be replaced by the next stock who will work for free, rinse repeat. That’s called freedom, kid.”

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    Literally can not parse anything he said because he talks too fast and provides you absolutely no time to process any opposition you might have to what he says before saying the next thing. It just comes off as annoying noise.

    It’s gish gallop in video form.

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      gish gallop

      I will pick only one example:

      Biden invested 500 billion into [climate change]

      No. During Biden’s presidency according to the PR talking points presented private companies did claim to have invested or are about to invest up to $500 billion in manufacturing and clean energy. Two very different things.

      [China] spent $546 billion in 2022 on investments that included solar and wind energy, electric vehicles and batteries.
      That is nearly four times the amount of U.S. investments, which totaled $141 billion.
      The European Union was second to China with $180 billion in clean energy investments

      Seems that xigma-male does more than biden-alert ( Or Trump trump-anguish ) even if you only look at clean energy for China.

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      Literally can not parse anything he said because he talks too fast and provides you absolutely no time to process any opposition you might have to what he says before saying the next thing. It just comes off as annoying noise.

      Part of it is a generational divide, and part of it really is “influencer” culture being deliberately aggressively obnoxious noise.

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        It comes off as the same behaviour that occurs when I mention the soviet union. You get 5-8 different things about atrocities/genocide/purge/whatever thrown in your face with demands for you to counter/explain all of them all at the same time, and because that would take writing 5000+ words it shuts down conversation.

        That’s precisely what this is. It’s the same fucking thing but in video format. The goal of it is purely to make any response you make too long for anyone to engage with.

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          It is a gish gallop, yeah.

          It’s like when some sh.itjust.works or programming.dev cryptofascist showed up and said WHAT ABOUT GOMMUNISM VULVULZULA GORILLION DEAD ALSO HUMAN NATURE BUT WHO WILL INNOVATE YOU’RE ALL CHINESE AND/OR RUSSIAN BOTS ALSO YOU’RE PRIVILEGED RICH KIDS ALSO YOU DON’T HAVE REAL JOBS ALSO YOU HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS WHICH MEANS YOU ARE FUNDAMENTALLY A BAD PERSON morshupls

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            It is one of the most irritating and bad faith tactics they use. I always try to highlight this and then rein them in a bit, making them pick one at a time to go into in more detail in a good faith way, and that we can pick through them one by one but doing it all at once is unfeasible. 99% of the time they immediately disengage because they’re not interested in a good faith discussion.

            The best and only outcome I think that is possible when this happens is trying to highlight to other readers that the user of this tactic is not acting in good faith and is not interested in truth.

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          Perhaps my least favorite trait in my fellow Americans isn’t their ignorance about history or international affairs. It’s the breathtaking overconfidence they have that whatever historical narratives they’ve absorbed from the culture are absolutely correct and unchallengeable, even if they know you’re someone who has forgotten more about history than they know.

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            It’s that Protestant American ethos that every ignorant dolt and their mother should have a strong opinion on everything and share it with confidence. Truly no respect at all for expertise or knowledge in this nation, or knowing when to listen and learn

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          It also is often how conservatives and reactionaries and a couple of libs I know talk.

          Like: "No, just cause you did a quip does not mean your argument is valid or my counter point isn’t.

          Things can be true at the same time and your points are mostly re-iterating things for yourself so you feel seen and heard while your self is destroyed in capitalism since your waking hours are bound to wage work during which you only get the 5 minute and lunch breaks to present your asine opinions."

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      I was a theater kid…

      And the other theater kids at my school were assholes that gave me the shittiest parts in plays because I was poor. doomer

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        I wish Opsec would allow you to tell me where you’re from so I can avoid that place forever. Every time you talk about the people you know it sounds like you might be posting from hell?

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          Stay away from the Bay Area and probably a hundred mile radius all around it, just to be sure. Palo Alto is pretty terrible, and don’t get me started about Manteca.

          you might be posting from hell

          nicholson-yes

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            Too late actually took a family vacation to San Francisco when I was like 16. That was actually a nice trip though :( But I guess it must be different living there. Or maybe the surrounding area is worse than the city? Idk.

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              San Francisco used to be nice, but billdawg made sure to change that with as much subsidy money as he could shovel to his fellow rich sex predators as possible.

              Or maybe the surrounding area is worse than the city? Idk.

              It was back then, and it still is now. For some reason living in San Francisco’s shadow means getting more than a bunch of car pollution; there’s cultural pollution too.

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                My trip was after Clinton.

                But I guess the city that produced Pelosi and Feinstein can’t be as nice as my childhood memories remember it being :(

                But idk I live in MA and on a government level yeah its libs all the way down but its a relatively nice place to live and I really dont know many people as demonic as the people you describe in your life lol. One racist uncle is pretty much it. And the highschool I went to in New Hampshire was a lot better than most people’s highschool experiances. Maybe I’m just really lucky idk.

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                  My trip was after Clinton.

                  I won’t ask for exact years, but turning San Francisco from a surprisingly low-rent and culturally rich town to a neoliberal fortress of arrogance took a few decades to reach its current state. There were still nice things at the turn of the century and beyond, only slowly being pushed out by gentrification and Silicon Valley startups doing a localized Manifest Destiny by crowding everyone else out wherever possible.

                  I have a lot of bigoted biological family members and I’m not far from the “Bible Belt of California” where you’ll know you’re there by all the banners strewn along the farm roads talking about “water rights” and other chud buzzwords like that. Basically, there was an attempt to restore some wetlands as far south as the San Joaquin Valley and the reactionary rage about that among farmer chuds never ended.

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        Yeah my experience with drama club when I joined senior year (i tried joining freshman year, but little me was afraid of the goths and still a little unsure about gay people, I got over that quickly but still didnt go back until senior year) was that it was like its own seperate sub-clique that had people from different groups in it. I mostly liked it there and they were mostly nice to me, the autistic kid, so it was a good experience. No idea about their politics though.

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      My bf is a theater kid and he’s a great guy but the rest of the theater kids around him are rich manipulative bullies. That’s the end of my experience with theater kids.