It’s threads like these that makes me doubt some of y’all are even communists. All this talk about national self determination scares me. Like the 20th century didn’t happen or something.
I mean I don’t think we are all but that’s besides the point I think.
Isn’t socialism built within the material conditions of the environment? Like socialism in the US will be different to socialism in the USSR etc because the very root systems of oppression unique to those areas are different.
The writer is black in America. So like of course a huge part of American socialism has to include the self determination of black and native Americans and land back stuff? Like if white socialists want to build a movement together with non whites then they need to read, hear and just take the criticism and instead of questioning or “pushing back” at something they can’t possibly understand from a lived experience?
Like the writer is clearly mad and rightly so, and users here are knee jerk critiquing the article because it makes them uncomfortable for not fully understanding what the writer is saying or doing instead of having a good think I feel.
So i dont think this last bit is fair.
Also if people want to stop burning out token poc in orgs, then they could always support them and share the load to help it be a manageable long term position?
Like I see it a lot where a minority just gets dumped with a role and cis het white people just expect them to perform without any support or aid and when they burn out its all “well did they even try” and other rancid shit so I think in that regard it’s again on white org members to recognise that and better support any non white members who are in positions of leadership.
Finally I don’t think it’s their job to point out everything or give people a road map to improvement. We should be listening these experiences and working ourselves to fix our perceptions and better support those who can inform change right?
I dont think you’ve read what I wrote and I’m not going to get into a “is it productive” common sense talk about systemic racism in America and if what a black socialist and activist has said has merit in your opinion.
…So, what, you think the settlers should get to benefit from any fruits of radical societal change that the subjects-of-empire they oppress make happen without giving up anything in return? That you still get to rob us of even more labor, like you always have over the four hundred years of your society’s history? Fuck that.
You literally can’t be racist to white people. If you’re still at that point in your understanding of racism and the systems of oppression that spawn from it then my dude log the fuck off and stop having opinions especially in this thread.
I’m by no means an expert and I’m probably cringe af to other users but even I know this is the most balls to the wall fragile cracker whiney piss baby take ive ever seen.
GarbageShoot-tier take. Of course you’ve got an account to ban-evade on. What’s the matter, you ain’t talked down to enough folk yet? You ain’t cracked the whip for your masters enough? Overseer-assed motherfucker.
“nOt WhItE, jUsT aNtI-rAcIsT” proceeds to use every weapon of the white 4channer. I wish I could say I was surprised but it’s so fucking predictable and so fucking repellent.
I mean I don’t think we are all but that’s besides the point I think.
Isn’t socialism built within the material conditions of the environment? Like socialism in the US will be different to socialism in the USSR etc because the very root systems of oppression unique to those areas are different.
The writer is black in America. So like of course a huge part of American socialism has to include the self determination of black and native Americans and land back stuff? Like if white socialists want to build a movement together with non whites then they need to read, hear and just take the criticism and instead of questioning or “pushing back” at something they can’t possibly understand from a lived experience?
Like the writer is clearly mad and rightly so, and users here are knee jerk critiquing the article because it makes them uncomfortable for not fully understanding what the writer is saying or doing instead of having a good think I feel.
So i dont think this last bit is fair.
Also if people want to stop burning out token poc in orgs, then they could always support them and share the load to help it be a manageable long term position?
Like I see it a lot where a minority just gets dumped with a role and cis het white people just expect them to perform without any support or aid and when they burn out its all “well did they even try” and other rancid shit so I think in that regard it’s again on white org members to recognise that and better support any non white members who are in positions of leadership.
Finally I don’t think it’s their job to point out everything or give people a road map to improvement. We should be listening these experiences and working ourselves to fix our perceptions and better support those who can inform change right?
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I dont think you’ve read what I wrote and I’m not going to get into a “is it productive” common sense talk about systemic racism in America and if what a black socialist and activist has said has merit in your opinion.
…So, what, you think the settlers should get to benefit from any fruits of radical societal change that the subjects-of-empire they oppress make happen without giving up anything in return? That you still get to rob us of even more labor, like you always have over the four hundred years of your society’s history? Fuck that.
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Racist to who you dumb fuck?
You literally can’t be racist to white people. If you’re still at that point in your understanding of racism and the systems of oppression that spawn from it then my dude log the fuck off and stop having opinions especially in this thread.
I’m by no means an expert and I’m probably cringe af to other users but even I know this is the most balls to the wall fragile cracker whiney piss baby take ive ever seen.
Loser.
GarbageShoot-tier take. Of course you’ve got an account to ban-evade on. What’s the matter, you ain’t talked down to enough folk yet? You ain’t cracked the whip for your masters enough? Overseer-assed motherfucker.
The dudes blatantly made of porcelain.
“nOt WhItE, jUsT aNtI-rAcIsT” proceeds to use every weapon of the white 4channer. I wish I could say I was surprised but it’s so fucking predictable and so fucking repellent.
I dunno how they get in. Little worms.
We’ve now had the incel struggle session and the ova special to that.
Today’s the settler struggle session.
What’s next gang? Erghhhhhhhhhh