Idk, this is just some rant post but this thing keeps fucking happening to me, it just happened to me. I will find out someone online or someone whose work I’m interested in or someone I was talking to is essentially and irreversibly reactionary

I’m sure the guy who makes these is also fucking brainwormed somehow but there’s a XKCD comic about the constructed language “Lojban” that I’ve been learning that goes like this:

[Cueball and Black Hat are having a conversation.]

Cueball: If you learned to speak Lojban, your communication would be completely unambiguous and logical.

Black Hat: Yeah, but it would all be with the kind of people who learn Lojban.

And it’s so fucking real. Just ughhh idek where to begin, so lemme start “here” as in Lemmy or the libiverse. The only other Lojban speaker I could find on here is on the fucking furry porn instance we aren’t federated with lol. Btw, I forgot this person’s pronouns and I don’t even wanna go look at this person’s profile again (you will see why) so I will do this, sorry: le furry porn instance Lojban speaker ku goi ko’a (I bind free variable “ko’a” to refer to this person)

But I was like, okay, ko’a seems kinda off (ko’a translates everything ko’a says from Lojban to English even though ko’a is Amerikkkan and speaks English natively) but that’s fine, I like weird, weird is often good, ko’a is autistic, I’m autistic, maybe I will message ko’a and say hi. Then I go to ko’a’s linked Github profile and find out ko’a is a literal fed, as in ko’a openly works for intelligence services agony-wholesome, mildly afraid to even mention ko’a but ko’a can’t be that high up right? Ko’a has an acct on the furry porn instance linked to ko’a’s fed shit lmao. Ko’a’s listed job description is much more ominous and creepy in Lojban than in English btw which I don’t wanna go into here but yeh agony-deep. Not even getting into ko’a’s other brainworms here but I read ko’a’s stuff a while ago

Okay, there’s no speakers I want to talk to here, fine, fine, it’s very obscure, I was lucky to find the fed on here if anything. So I go to the chat/IRC and find out it is infested with insufferable techbros who DON’T EVEN SPEAK PARSABLY VALID LOJBAN, one of whom is basically an open misanthropic blue fascist, who believes in like… an unelected Democrat monarch to control the stupid masses or something

Regardless, I was asking some questions about my ongoing translation of “Combat Liberalism” in there, talked with someone for a while who was at least helpful but then my account on [unspecified platform bridged to the IRC, I’m sure you could find but whatever lol, there’s nothing publicly visible] was reported for spam and then I was no longer allowed to speak in any groups. The only thing I can think of for why this happened is some lib, too cowardly and too pathetic to disagree with me in the open, mass reported everything I sent and got my account basically temp-banned. Wild right? Yet somehow not unexpected. Also pointless cuz I just logged on to the real IRC and kept my conversation going lmao. Oh and btw, ko’a is in the chat too ugh

Okay, okay, whatever it’s fine it’s fine, I should expect this. What about the people on the Wiki or in the Logical Language Group that, is at least supposed to, develop(s) Lojban? So I was reading through some of the articles and profiles on the wiki and they are much better. Then I somehow ended up at the personal website and blog of an LLG member, who was once the lead person or president or whatever of LLG to read about his takes on libertarianism and the age of consent among other things I forgot yea libertarian-approaching. Or I read the takes of the insufferable Randian logicians on the wiki which somehow are often okay on limited aspects of the language yet they are also Randians who should be purged

This is not the first time this has happened to me, this basically constantly happens to me cuz of my weird nerd interests who I must share with some of the worst people on the planet

It’s so fucking exhausting dealing with these overwhelmingly white, massively techbrained, toxic, insufferably smuglord cishet men and all their brainworms. No wonder most people who can even speak Lojban are like this, yet I persist for some reason debord-tired

Idk, there seem to be some people in the community which are cool but yeh

  • PaX [comrade/them, they/them]@hexbear.netOPMEnglish
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    27 days ago

    [part 2]

    Also, while I’m sure you could take Lojban and use it as a syntax for a more traditional formal system, idk what the purpose would be cuz we already have good systems for doing math on computers or whatever that use already familiar syntax. It would probably just be off-putting to both most Lojbanists (the few that remain at this point) and mathematicians :(

    But anything more than that is kinda dreamy and vague. And nailing down the meanings of Lojban root words might be useful but it would also just constrain people entirely to pre-existing biased cultural conceptions of meaning. Maybe some kind of formal system that only defines the semantic meaning of the standard grammar but with optional and modular definitions of root words and other stuff that can be “imported” into a speaker’s personal formal conception of Lojban contingent on the speaker’s or the listener’s acceptance of those meanings could be constructed, idk.

    Idk, the secret, forbidden desire inside every Marxist or at least inside me to do metaphysics :3

    Or idk, maybe a formalization of dialectics is possible without ending up at metaphysics?

    I am so far away from your reply now, let me try to get back to it lol

    A paraconsistent system where where individuals can have different universes of discourse would have no analytic statements. Instead, I think you are looking for Jaskowski’s discursive logic, which formulated in modal logic.

    Yeahh, I think I kinda misused the term “universe of discourse” lol. I was actually thinking along the lines of discursive logic, as in like some kind of shared frame or world or whatever where proposition P can be true but in other worlds P can be false or vice versa or something more complicated than that. The system is paraconsistent but has a concept of a local consistency I guess

    I am VAGUELY (been aware of but didn’t have the context to begin to understand until recently) more familiar with da Costa’s various systems of “formal inconsistency” or whatever. Would def recommend looking into if you’re interested how inconsistency can even exist in a logic without reducing the whole thing to triviality

    A final thing i would point out, is that there is a good reason sets aren’t the exact formulation of lojban: see russel’s paradox. This is a problem which intuitionistic logic “solves”, which sees usage in proof assistants like coq and lean.

    Sets have a weird place in current Lojban cuz they do exist both explicitly and implicitly as the products of the set-specifying gadri (articles) le’i and lo’i, and the indefinite gadri le and lo, respectively. Yet they don’t really have any semantics beyond vibes rn

    Sry, there is lots more to say but this is way too long and I’ve burned myself out for rn lol. If you ever get this far into reading this confused mess, thank you :3

    I am doing metaphysics and I’m not doing metaphysics dog-screm, repeat this sentence forever except this part past the comma including the comma