• Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    27
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 month ago

    The second amendment was to defend Americans from tyranny. Trump is that. Use of force in self defense is justified.

    “The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, the cartridge box. Use them in that order.”

    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      1 month ago

      https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1002107670/historian-uncovers-the-racist-roots-of-the-2nd-amendment

      Tl;Dr the Constitutional Congress didn’t really believe in citizen militias providing a sufficient check on federal power. Some power, sure, but by and large the British armies destroyed the militias in the field, with only a few notable successes.

      They did, however, recognize that they could serve as a rapid reaction force for wars against natives and putting down slave revolts until the real army showed up. And, of course, militias could be rolled into a professional army and retrained, like what happened with the Civil War.

      That isn’t to say a genuinely popular revolt wouldn’t work, it’s just not what the 2nd was really about.

          • Tinidril@midwest.social
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            9
            ·
            1 month ago

            For the US to readopt slavery, wouldn’t it have to give slavery up first? The thirteenth amendment specifically allows for the enslavement of prisoners. That’s a big part of the reason we put so many blacks in prison.

            • microphone900@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              8
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              1 month ago

              They’ll just make a whole lot of stuff illegal, selectively enforce those laws, and BOOM increase the prison slave population. Hell, the South did it after the Civil War to get it’s slave labor back, how hard would it be to do nationwide now.

              • dontgooglefinderscult@lemmings.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                4
                ·
                1 month ago

                … you’ve just described America as it is. The legal concept of loitering is exactly what you described and it’s so old you thought it was always around.

                The US has openly practiced slavery for its entire history. Private slavery at that. Nationwide, with full support from all political parties in power.

                The US has the largest slave population in the world. One of the largest in world history. That was before Trump.

            • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 month ago

              That’s fair, but there’s at least some difference between chattel slavery and the prison industrial complex. If the traditionally inclined right wing “libertarian” voices that are the sorts of folks the Heritage Foundation hires have their way chattel slavery is back on the menu.

    • masquenox@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 month ago

      The second amendment was to defend Americans from tyranny.

      Oh, give it a break.

      2A legalized colonialist white supremacist violence against slave rebellions and native peoples. That’s it.

    • sartalon@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 month ago

      If it actually happened, I would happily support it. The system is working as it is intended by those with the money to manipulate it. It needs to come down.

      I just don’t believe enough people really give a shit anymore.

      They fucking re-elected him. We know who he is, what the GoP really is. And they still fucking elected him.