things like this really make me wonder what non-leftists learn about history. I had someone telling me that they didn’t know which French Revolution I was talking about when I said The French Revolution and I think they might have been serious.
I don’t know what my polital goal is here, but I don’t support Ukraine if that’s what you’re suggesting. I thought maybe someone would explain why freikorps is necessarily connected with Nazism (especially if we are concerned about the “origin of things” as you say). Unfortunately nobody has really been that helpful.
I guess if everyone just associates freicorps with nazis then that’s what it is. It therefore makes it a safe bet that whoever is using it is doing the same. I ended up looking into this group in particular and yeah they are Nazis so checks out.
Sorry for being a dick and assuming you are on the liberal train of “The guys with the black sun tattoo and an Iron Cross tattoo said he wasn’t a Nazi, I’m not going to consider that he may Be lying because he is fighting a war I’m in favor of waging. “
A lot of nazis don’t want to or legally can’t go completely mask-off, but still need the most obvious dogwhistle possible. This is why you’ll see German nazis today using the legal Reichsflagge instead of the illegal swastika flag, and that’s why a Ukrainian nazi who gets told “pls don’t call your unit Panzerdivision Dirlewanger, it’s bad press, it’s too on the nose” walks it back until he arrives at Freikorps. It still has an aesthetic relatable to Wehraboos, but you can go “noooo, did you know there were Freikorps working with social democrats?”
specifically, the freikorps were organized by the SDP to crush the Sparticist revolt by the communist wing of the SDP. it’s where the common leftist slogan
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
comes from (translation: who betrayed us? social democrats!) and it’s why social democrats aren’t considered part of the anticapitalist left. the freikorps later became the base for the brownshirts, which is what people mean by “proto-fascist”. had the SDP not betrayed their comrades, it’s extremely likely that the Nazi party would never have grown to the size it did. but the reformists screwed the pooch as it were.
Rosa Luxembourg’s death at the hands of the Freikorps is one of the biggest what-if moments in history. a unified, socialist Germany joining with the Russian Soviets would have reshaped the world as we know it.
Is this a bit?
things like this really make me wonder what non-leftists learn about history. I had someone telling me that they didn’t know which French Revolution I was talking about when I said The French Revolution and I think they might have been serious.
they must mean the july revolution. the first one was too obscure.
No.
It’s someone who has the weird liberal trait of not considering origins of things if it aligns with their current political goals.
Worst case it’s on the same tier as ““national SOCIALIST” =“a socialist who likes their nation””
I don’t know what my polital goal is here, but I don’t support Ukraine if that’s what you’re suggesting. I thought maybe someone would explain why freikorps is necessarily connected with Nazism (especially if we are concerned about the “origin of things” as you say). Unfortunately nobody has really been that helpful.
I guess if everyone just associates freicorps with nazis then that’s what it is. It therefore makes it a safe bet that whoever is using it is doing the same. I ended up looking into this group in particular and yeah they are Nazis so checks out.
Sorry for being a dick and assuming you are on the liberal train of “The guys with the black sun tattoo and an Iron Cross tattoo said he wasn’t a Nazi, I’m not going to consider that he may Be lying because he is fighting a war I’m in favor of waging. “
A lot of nazis don’t want to or legally can’t go completely mask-off, but still need the most obvious dogwhistle possible. This is why you’ll see German nazis today using the legal Reichsflagge instead of the illegal swastika flag, and that’s why a Ukrainian nazi who gets told “pls don’t call your unit Panzerdivision Dirlewanger, it’s bad press, it’s too on the nose” walks it back until he arrives at Freikorps. It still has an aesthetic relatable to Wehraboos, but you can go “noooo, did you know there were Freikorps working with social democrats?”
specifically, the freikorps were organized by the SDP to crush the Sparticist revolt by the communist wing of the SDP. it’s where the common leftist slogan
comes from (translation: who betrayed us? social democrats!) and it’s why social democrats aren’t considered part of the anticapitalist left. the freikorps later became the base for the brownshirts, which is what people mean by “proto-fascist”. had the SDP not betrayed their comrades, it’s extremely likely that the Nazi party would never have grown to the size it did. but the reformists screwed the pooch as it were.
Rosa Luxembourg’s death at the hands of the Freikorps is one of the biggest what-if moments in history. a unified, socialist Germany joining with the Russian Soviets would have reshaped the world as we know it.