• Amorphous [any]@hexbear.net
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    4 years ago

    ok look i literally do not give a fuck what is offensive to your religion, drawing a picture of some guy is not immoral and anyone who suggests that it is can eat my entire ass

    i dont care if you’re religious, but that apathy ends the second you start asking me to follow your dumb fucking religion’s dumb fucking rules. fuck off

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      4 years ago

      i literally do not give a fuck what is offensive

      eat my entire ass

      fuck off

      Civility at the expense of accomplishing something real is bullshit, but man, you’re not going to get very far with very many people if you’re just an outright asshole.

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        4 years ago

        Do you understand how traumatic it is to grow up in an environment ruled, socially and legally, by religion? It’s fucking horrifying. And then to see people who are supposed to be supporting you calling you racist, a chud, an asshole, etc for daring to suggest that religion shouldn’t control the life of a non-religious person? That’s terrifying too. I’m lashing out because this is truly a terrible, disgusting thing that people here are thoughtlessly supporting.

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          4 years ago

          religion shouldn’t control the life of a non-religious person?

          yes, the evil muslims are preventing you from drawing muhammad which is something that non-religious people normally want to do on a regular basis

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              Yes, except christian instead. You realize christianity and islam are almost precisely the same fucking thing, right? Muslims believe in jesus for fucks sake. Pretending they are significantly different in any meaningful way aside from that one happened to be largely the victor over recent history is incredibly ignorant.

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                  Not really. They believe 99% of the same things, follow 99% of the same rules, and result in 99% of the same outcomes when they dominate society.

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                    4 years ago

                    The only American colonies that didn’t start indian wars did so because of their quaker convictions. I dont think the issue is abrahamic religion so much as what being in power tends to do to a group

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            So if no one is preventing anyone from drawing caricatures why was showing a caricature in a class explicitly dealing with religious indoctrination punished? By death, no less.

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          so if a japanese asks you to take of your shoes when entering his home, are you gonna call him an asshole too, to you basic decency is opression, and you want anyone from the global southto call you a comrade, radlib

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            The difference is that if you enter a Japanese person’s house in shoes, it won’t result in a random dude getting his fucking head cut off lol.

            Here’s what I don’t understand, if someone says that something is offensive in their religion I’m obviously going to respect that because I’m not an asshole. But if they say that something is a crime in their religion and the punishment is getting beheaded then I’m super not cool with that. They are imposing on me the rules of their religion, which I’m not a part of.

            It’s the same way with Christianity and abortion or homosexuality. Everyone agrees that it’s not cool that Christians are imposing their morality on the rest of the world, why is it different with Islam? That’s an honest question, correct me if I’m being a lib.

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            What does taking your shoes off when entering someone’s home has to do with their race? Why would you keep your shoes on, unless specifically asked in the first place?

            • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]@hexbear.netOP
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              its a traditions you dense idiot, stop being such a western chauvinist and accept not everyone country is a parasitic imperialist country based in western supremacy

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                literally what the fuck are you talking about you fucking fool

                “take off your shoes or stay out of my house” completely valid. the reason is cleanliness. theres nothing wrong with that. similarly, “dont draw muhammad in my house or go away” thats fine too

                “dont draw muhammad in your own house” is fucking absurd and it’s disgusting that you support it. its like a christian telling you not to have gay sex in your house because it’s offensive to their religion

                fuck all the way off, your religion does not have power over my fucking life

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                  Why would you ever draw Muhammad? About the only reason anyone ever does is in an attempt to deeply insult an enormous number of people. That kind of “fuck you I do what I want” mentality doesn’t garner much sympathy from me. Having a reasonable amount of respect for your fellow human beings (i.e., not doing something you would never otherwise do specifically to piss them off) is something we need more of.

                  Yeah, you’re free to yell the N-word at the top of your lungs in public. Yeah, if a black person decides to beat you to death for it they’re in the wrong, too. But my sympathy for you in that situation is limited because maybe you shouldn’t be an absolute piece of shit just because you technically can.

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                    4 years ago

                    Why would you ever draw Muhammad?

                    i have never had any desire to do so and i probably never will, but it is not immoral to do so and i have every right if i did want to

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                  no one has ever said “don’t draw Muhammad in your own house”??? where the hell are you getting this from. nobody is asking you to not draw Muhammad in private, that’s absurd and irrelevant to the question. this whole discourse is about western reactionaries intentionally enflaming the situation by drawing Muhammad outwardly, usually in racist big-nosed depictions i might add.

                  • Amorphous [any]@hexbear.net
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                    this whole discourse is about western reactionaries intentionally enflaming the situation by drawing Muhammad outwardly

                    a muslim’s right to tell a person what they can and can not draw based on religious rules end at their own doorstep. i dont care if they’re drawing muhammad and then printing it on flags and flying those flags on every street corner in the entire world, it literally does not matter and anyone who gets upset at them for it is responsible for their own feelings, because no one has any obligation to respect rules specific to their religion