• space_comrade [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Ukraine has been shelling them because they (Ukraine) were ignoring the ceasefire, they (Ukraine) can’t ignore an actual peace treaty without serious consequences, they would just restart the war at that point and then we’re back to square one.

    The bar for Russia here is so goddamn low.

    Sure, I’m just saying they wouldn’t really go that much above the bar.

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      I really don’t understand how you can claim that a people who declared independence from Ukraine for being marginalized and suppressed a la having their language rights removed and their political parties banned from running in elections broke a cease fire when they have been under constant attack from literal Nazi militias. Please forgive them for having the gall to defend themselves.

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        My reading of the situation is like yours – Ukranian neo-Nazi paramilitaries never honored the Minsk agreements, so the separatists kept defending themselves – but I certainly wouldn’t consider myself an expert on the situation. I know a lot of similar situations kick off with mutual violence, and I don’t know the merits of the separatist movement (i.e., how popular is it amongst the people living there?).

        I do know that NATO doesn’t give a shit about Ukraine and has nothing but bad intentions. I’m skeptical of Russian intentions, but a desire to avoid having a NATO-aligned state full of active neo-Nazi paramilitaries on its doorstep is legitimate, and they did try the diplomatic route.

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      they (Ukraine) can’t ignore an actual peace treaty without serious consequences,

      The Nazis with the guns won’t stop murdering anyone they imagine is a Russian or other undesirable regardless of what papers get signed. That’s why when Zelensky tried to make them stop shelling civilians and honor Minsk II, they told him to fuck off and did not stop. Those Nazis must be eliminated for the killing to stop.

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      You are ignorant. The people of Crimea, the DPR, and LPR all have attested to the influx of state investment in infrastructure and public services. They contrast this with the lack of such under ukraine.

      The bar is noticeably higher according to the people affected.

    • ChapoKrautHaus [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      Sure, I’m just saying they wouldn’t really go that much above the bar.

      Just going by generally used economic indicators, at least materially they will. Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe in 2021. Even poorer than Belarus or Moldova. And that was before the war.