You will be assimilated

I agree, people who think LLMs are intelligent are as smart as phone keyboard autocomplete

I’ve seen some of the posts and they are pretty skeevy

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What other movements have succeeded at all? Why do you think Marxists generally are made up of MLs?

It’s almost like some Mario-mustache-ass pedophile resented other socialist movements for threatening his order.

I am honestly tired, you people all peddle the same nonsense talking points and link the same shitty books and essays.

MLs have not had an independent thought since the early 20th century and it really fucking shows.

Marx’s State specifically referred to the elements of government that enforce class dynamics, like Private Property Rights. Marx was fully in favor of government, just not the State.

You’re shadowboxxing again, I never mentioned the state/government distinction.

Completely pointless either way since the USSR was not state abolitionist.

In what manner? If you eliminate market competition, Capital accumulation, and the necessity for profit, then you have fundamentally moved beyond Capitalism. The CPSU did not compete against each other and pocket vast amounts of profits, and the Soviets were run democratically. It’s fundamentally and entirely different

Because competition isn’t what creates class disparity, the problem is the ownership and control part, which was entirely reserved for members of the party.

Because the party, which was controlled from the top down had complete economic and political control over the system, it essentially just replaced the ruling class of old.

Yes, the competition was mostly removed but the class structure stayed basically the same.

So then the USSR was Socialist, after all. The Soviet Union was based on Soviet Democracy, worker councils with elected delegates. There was corruption, and there were inner-power conflicts, but the structure overall was Socialist.

The Soviets never went away.

But there was no worker control of these institutions, they were entirely controlled from the top down by party officials.

If there were elections they were a sham, basically nothing else than virtue signaling to the values the communist party supposedly had but in practice despised.

There’s no strawman here, you claimed that the agents of the state functioned as the bourgeoisie, and I asked how they replicated the functions of the bourgeoise, the necessary components of which include competition and production for individual profit. The lack of those means it cannot be considered Capitalist.

I don’t need to reply to this for the 759th time.

I suggest reading Critique of the Gotha Programme, it might help you get a clearer understanding of the transition to Communism in Marx’s own words

MLs flipping a coin on if they should tell someone to read Critique of the Gotha Programme or On Authority today.

In what manner was the Communist Party “dictatorial?” It held immense power, yes, but it wasn’t 1 dude deciding everything,

Ah yes, as long as there is at least 2 dudes deciding everything it’s not a dictatorship.

there was worker participation in how it ran and the party itself was democratically run.

As long as you liked the way that the party wanted things to be, yes.

How, exactly, did Lenin “fuck socialism for a century?”

His party went on to encourage other revolutionary groups to adapt the anti-socialist Leninist-Stalinist structure, at times actively sabotaging socialist movements that were structured differently.

In those times you either fell behind the ML party line or had no support from the international movement, the russian communists absolutely fucked it all up.

What sepparates any form of Marxism from “state capitalism,” in your eyes? Marx was an advocate for central planning.

Marx was also an advocate of worker ownership of the MoP, not state ownership.

The state owning and using force to control the MoP just recreates capitalist class dynamics.

I am not a fan of central planning personally, but you can have a centrally planned economy that is not state capitalist, as long as the planning committees are actually made up of workers and delegates chosen by the workers.

Immediately after the revolution, the existing workers and factory councils were either destroyed or coopted by the party.

Secondly, please describe how the CPSU competed against each other in Markets for the purpose of Capital accumulation into their own pockets, and explain why wealth disparity greatly decreased during the USSR and increased after it’s dissolution.

I have honestly no idea what strawman you are trying to beat up here.

I never said anything about internal competition, I was talking about state capitalism as a system that perpetuates capitalist class structure with the state and agents of the state replacing the bourgeoisie.

No, Lenin was not a genocidal dictator.

You could dispute the genocidal bit but you cannot in good faith argue that the communist party wasn’t dictatorial.

Additionally, whether you agree with his contributions to Marxism or not, he remains the most influential Marxist of the 20th century, every major Marxist org since Lenin has been influenced by his analysis of Imperialism

And I believe the OPs point is that that’s a bad thing.

We shouldn’t be basing our politics and imagery today off the guy who fucked socialism for a century.

Lenin was the man who presided over the suppression and destruction of existing worker power and socialist modes of production.

All he did was create a centralised state capitalism and perpetuated existing class conflict, with his party taking the role of the bourgeoisie.

Caught a live one

Just because you have never heard of something doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.

You were one 15 second search away from not being a cunt on the internet but here you are, being proud of how ignorant you are.

People from these groups get pretty well informed about various dogwhistles and slurs that the general population won’t, because they’re used to harass us.

in the US it’s an anti trans reference to the % of trans people who had suicidal ideation in one study

Big hoes mad energy in this thread

“Peace between us until the MLs get into power and then I’ll have you look towards that wall.”

It’s dota 2.

https://youtu.be/tDaJes0T1Ig?si=rR9lMOsFPwqLviek

Idk why you’re mad

They storm up the river, patience from Zhou, waiting in the wake, Na’Vi’s about to be caught. Oh there’s the sleep, the surge, he catches everyone! Oh this could be a total disaster! Vacuum in, ravage on everyone, the blackhole as well. LightofHeaven, he turns it around, ravage as well, stolen by Dendi. ARE YOU KIDDING ME, THEY TURNED IT AROUND. 4 heroes dead, 5 heroes dead, Chuan trying to survive, Chuan’s gonna go down. Puppey talked about the naga counter, it’s lightofheaven with his bkb. They turned it around.