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Blaming everything on capitalism is oversimplistic and reductive, to be honest.

Climate collapse is a result of industrialization and not capitalism, to start. Unless you want to explain how Stalin and Mao were still burning coal.

You’re just not listening to what I’m saying because it’s not what you want to hear, that’s all.

Communism flat out did not work and that’s an observable fact. Nothing you say or do is going to change that.

It absolutely doesn’t because the fact of the matter is that communism has failed across cultures and capitalism is failing as we speak.

Poor starving families escaping war and famine don’t give a fuck about why the USSR fell or how the U.S. purposefully installed dictators in communist countries to ensure the social structure wouldn’t be a threat to capital, they care about having food and water in their mouths and a roof over their head. And the whole point of you defending communism to your dying breath in an Internet argument is to ensure that happens, so explain to us how you want communism to achieve that without being destroyed from the inside over and over again like it already has been nonstop.

You can’t, therefore communism doesn’t work. It’s as simple as that.

Lol you just don’t want to admit you’re wrong, is all.

You’re smart.

Thanks for proving the kettle’s point, pot

It literally doesn’t matter, you’re still wrong.

China did that by becoming an authoritarian capitalist country, so that just proves my point. Communism doesn’t work.

Lol go tell that to my detractors who you applaud when they do it to me, in blatant violation of sitewide rules of their own instances, while mods and admins don’t bat an eye.

Don’t pretend there’s any honorability in anything people do, especially not online.

Because it’s nature makes it impossible. We literally tried it as a species and it failed miserably. It doesn’t even really matter why because social systems have to be able to weather any catastrophe including external ones that aren’t really its fault to thrive and last for long periods of time. The USSR didn’t even last a century before other countries outspent it from existence.

In fact, any new nation that wants to thrive has to take that into account regardless of its economic or social structure or system of governance. Sociopaths, for example, have figured out how to break every system we have including capitalism and communism and they will relentlessly continue to achieve power over others as they have done for millennia. Another example is climate collapse. How will any system you propose deal with climate collapse? How will it prevent regulatory capture or foreign powers infiltrating and taking it over like the CIA did with South American countries? How will it prevent uprisings and coups? How will it prevent mass rejection from its people?

Communism doesn’t take issues like that into account and so it fails. Capitalism tries through fascism which doesn’t work at all either.

You both suck.

Give people the technology to meet their needs and survive happily regardless of the surface of the land they’re given. Land that cannot be built on is cut out of the equation. Vertical farms are used to grow crops instead of direct land cultivation. Water is provided in accordance with user use and if there isn’t enough, more is desalinated. Electricity and homeostasis maintenance is achieved with technology attached to the house.

Divvy up land by plains and fields first, then extend from there. Even land in the middle of fucking Siberia can have comfortable housing and farming done on it with the right technology. If it’s too cold or too hot, dome it over. Even the fucking ocean can have artificial islands or floating platforms constructed on it. No one has to go without territory.

It doesn’t have to be hard.

That is how it works. It literally is how reality works. You can see it everywhere. You just don’t want to believe it because you want to live in a working communist nation but it’s just not possible in our Darwinian world where evil triumphs.

If you want to build a social system that reliably and fairly provides people their needs, you have to take the Darwinist nature of existence into account which no social system, including capitalism, really does effectively.

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And I am sure totally disregarding the subject of conversation to attack me is 100% not concern trolling in any way. Nope, looking for any opportunity to fling emotional barbs at someone you hate is the height of maturity

Now back to debating the merits of socialism while you go on the block list for the umpteenth time

Fair

Yes it clearly has and if it hadn’t, they’d be the exceedingly rich countries with massive militaries, but they’re not. The U.S., the corporate oligarchy, is. So their social structure loses, and the one we both hate wins.

Life just favors evil in that way.

Then let’s just kickstart human expansion into space so resources and land can be unlimited. That would be the only highly organized society you could convince me is legitimate.

We have more than enough land mass for every single human being to have at least one acre to themselves and then some right now, though. We just can’t distribute it evenly because humans are apes that form dominance hierarchies and control over the land goes to the dominant apes. Only when humans are genetically engineered to be egalitarian will it ever change, so I guess our debate is pretty moot.

Which farmers have

Socialism has consistently failed to do that too because it can’t handle outside influence from foreign powers. Let’s just freely distribute technology and let people farm for themselves again doing that. Highly organized societies are nothing but slave mills.