Weird, they do, but they redirect for me and the final URL is different than what you pasted.

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/why-kagi/why-pay-for-search.html

My best guess is that a DNS record is messed up on their end, and since I’ve been to those pages before relatively recently, the cname or A-record is still cached for me.

Hmm I just checked, they’re all live and their status page for each link has no outages. I would check any content blockers etc. that you have, I suspect it’s a problem on your end. They do use different domains for their blog, feedback, and help KB etc.

Kagi does exactly what you’re describing. It’s what I’ve been using.

I use Kagi too, it’s surprisingly snappy! Like seriously impressive for a small org. They talk about speed optimisation being critical for them as well. I find the result to be excellent as well. A true Google replacement/feels like Google in its prime.

I believe they have their own index and bot as well?

This is good news! And we/they should keep pushing for more, everywhere. Good for IBEW for continuing the pressure.

Right but Kbin doesn’t defederate with many if anyone right now. You can also block entire instances as an individual user so defederation is less important in Kbin.

Are you talking about Lemmy for that testing? On Kbin I regularly see communities with no Kbin users subbed, just a large amount of upvotes. The algorithm for “hot” content on the all feed works much better on Kbin right now. Subbing to an any community is easy on Kbin. You just open it via a link and tap the menu to bring up controls for the magazine/community.

Genuine question here, how can Lemmy have more content if it’s all federated? Wouldn’t Kbin, despite being much younger, have all the same content?

Well said!

On iOS you can just use side screen swipes for navigation. But I’m not sure if Android does that (I just haven’t used Android in years).

Yes….on a technical level. But the picture is bigger than that. Personally, I have a hunch that the choice of Rust is making Lemmy’s development slower. This seemed to be evidenced by the fact that Kbin has as much if not more functionality than Lemmy while having only been around for 2 months vs Lemmy’s 4 years. The Kbin dev has also been much more able to fix things on the fly during the surge in users. Whereas Lemmy will supposedly move off websocket use any day now.

Adoptability isn’t something to be discounted. The fact that there are many more people out there familiar with PHP may give Kbin an edge over time. And let’s be honest, in real-world tests PHP can very often be faster then any less-than-mature-Rust codebase.

Really? Kbin as the name is what intrigued me initially over Lemmy. It’s actually inspired by Linux, the sbin directory to be specific.

Kind of like how Lemmy made up communities? Lol you don’t call microblogs “toots” either. Seems every fediverse software has their own terminology.

Also it’s dev, singular. Kbin has been put together by only one dev. I personally find that damn impressive considering it’s functionally on par with Lemmy being only 2 months old to Lemmy’s 4 years.

They do have their own crawler and I believe supplement from bing only when necessary. Something like 98% of results are from their own index across all users. They actually have a breakdown for every search.

I think they actually have the largest independent index outside of Google/Bing right now.

Others that exclusively use their own index are:

Mojeek (results aren’t great)
Kagi (result are pretty good imo)

Currently using Orion on iOS. It’s made by the same people behind the Kagi search engine (which I also use now).

It’s still in alpha, so I occasionally encounter a bug, but the fact that it has built-in advert and tracking protection, as well as cool tab-suspend features sold me.

It tends to be on a newer version of WebKit then then Safari as well.

Oh, and did I mention it can use both Chrome and Firefox extensions?

I think Google peaked about 6-8 years ago now and then started slipping at an ever accelerating rate.

It’s almost useless for me when searching anything remotely technical or otherwise niche.

I almost consistently need to go to the second page of results now, something I don’t remember doing since like 2009.

I find Bing acceptable. Brave search works well. But I’m actually using Kagi now since I’m hoping their paid model will actually mean I’m not the product.

Via the ActivityPub protocol that fediverse software uses :)

Pretty cool stuff!

Kbin can also directly interact with Mastodon users and toots because of this. Kbin magazines can natively contain both “threads” from Kbin and Lemmy, and microblog “posts” from Kbin and Mastodon. (And other software depending how they map these features.)

You bet! The fediverse is definitely a confusing concept to wrap your head around the first time. And it doesn’t help that different software server instances don’t need to use a site name that specifies which software they are (like Beehaw, for example).

It depends on what you mean by other servers…Lemmy instances? I haven’t seen any differences between kbin instances.

Kbin is entirely different software from Lemmy; it’s a completely different backend.

So that would be why it’s “better” in that regard than Lemmy instances. My understanding is that it’s a bug in Lemmy that will be fixed soon.

The “popping” of the feed in Lemmy is tied to their use of websockets instead of http. I believe the devs stated they’ll be moving off of websockets in the future.