Some people in this thread make me wonder how centrists and status quo defenders manage to find their way into a leftist meme forum 😂

Wrong on all accounts. It is the hierarchical system and the state that exacerbate bigotry.

You are literally the person this post is about.

False. Provide evidence before you make such a claim. This is a lie used to silence progressives, leftists, and post-leftists, because what we say makes you uncomfortable.

But it’s not the only alternative to authoritarianism

Tell that to the people this post is about. Also, as you have mentioned, the current system allows this. The majority of people could support ICE, and it would still be inequitable and oppressive. The majority may oppose returning land to tribal control, but it is still colonization and genocide.

Only ideologies like Anarchism preclude this, since they by definition oppose such hierarchies and don’t rely on a glacially slow system that winks while people suffer.

It doesn’t matter what the majority want. Often, the majority want to harm other people. If you don’t believe me, then you haven’t heard from enough American liberals who will make batshit claims such as this being the best system in the world or that they “have no other choice” but to force oppression and genocide as long as it’s sanctioned by the law.

Clearly, this is not a good system. Never has been.

I’m very involved in my community. I sit on two city committees, I meet at least twice a year with my city council rep and email her in between, I vote in every election, I attend rallies and events like Pride and BLM whenever my schedule permits, I work for a charitable non-profit that helps people (don’t want to get too specific because doxxing), and I’ve considered running for local office before deciding my schedule just doesn’t allow it.

I’m also fairly poor, but I still donate monthly to Lakota People’s Law Project and Minnesota Freedom Fund.

And even online, I try to discuss real problems and don’t straight up lead with telling people to fuck off. I also don’t make excuses for fascist institutions such as ICE with their border camps. I point out the troubling things Biden is doing because we need to find a way to stop these things by any means necessary.

So I do agree with your advice, but it’s not a zero sum game. I can do all these things and also be online. I feel like you’re just saying this as a silencing tactic and deflection.

There it is! Everyone get in here!

This is EXACTLY what my post is about!

We’ve got:

1. Deflecting with “you’d rather have a dictator/Trump” – that famous wild unfounded accusation

2. Can only conceive of either tyranny of the majority or authoritarianism

3. Hand-waving / downplaying human rights abuses

B I N G O!

I’m going to leave this here for you, because this user addresses this better than I can. (Not sure how to do proper links here, but you should still be able to read the comment.)

As that user said, even following the principles of our current republic, this doesn’t excuse something like anti-trans laws or border camps.

And when it comes to leftist ideologies (this is a leftist community, after all, not a capitalist one), there are also other even more democratic and equitable options.

He was compelled by law to continue the wall

…because “he was just following the law” and “he was just following orders” famously excuse human rights abuses and other atrocities

Thank you! I’ve been rapidly losing faith in people lately. My dad taught social studies, and this is exactly the same things he would say. Seems we’ve lost sight of this somewhere along the way.

Might I add that it is so important that we not treat any person, including the president, as if they are beyond reproach. I find this trend of deflecting any criticism of one president with wild unfounded accusations of supporting an even worse candidate to be extremely troubling and, quite frankly, anti-democratic. I wish I could persuade more people to support equity and oppose systemic oppression, but it’s frustrating when the very people who proclaim to care refuse to engage in good faith.

Oh, please. One of the first things Biden did was open more concentration camps. He’s continued Trump’s wall (guess it’s Biden’s wall now). Millions of people die due to lack of healthcare access, and all liberals have is Obamacare 2.0, a slap in the face.

Sure, they’re not as bad as Republicans, but that’s a dismally low bar. They’re still complicit in fascism and genocide. They’re still defending capitalism.

Want to talk about strawman? Let’s talk about how every time someone mentions these things, Libs deflect with wild unfounded accusations of supporting Trump.

American liberals are only marginally better than Republicans. And if you’re in one of those camps, they’re no better at all.

Edit: I actually thought this was a different thread. I’ll still leave it though because it’s all accurate.

This is the kind of shit I’m talking about. By this logic, the anti-trans anti-POC laws in my state are alright, according to liberals. I’ve heard the same thing from them about the border camps and wall - “Biden has no choice!” Bullshit.

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Aha mission accomplished ;)

For a lot of people, chips are a treat, and they buy only a single bag occassionally

That fandom cleanup filter you linked that removes the annoying popup when you highlight text is a godsend

Firefox with uBlock Origin on Windows or Linux, and NewPipe on Android

I’d like to add Lakota People’s Law Project and Minnesota Freedom Fund

Watch Dogs 2 is one of my all-time favorite games

The multiplayer mini games in it were so fun, though I’m not sure how many people engage in current year

But the whole game is worth playing, even if some of it seems quaint by today’s standards

Karl Marx had some great ideas. It’s too bad everyone who identifies as a Marxist has such a twisted worldview.

Good question! I wish I knew, but unfortunately this is outside the scope of my knowledge. Someone on [email protected] could probably tell you immediately

Let’s face it: Even most people who read this thinks, “That sucks, someone should do something about that,” then goes back to drinking Starbucks