Fourth turning theory is fashy crap written by a play write and a business fund manager (people with no credentials for historical analysis), worshipped by people like Steve Banon.

Accordingly it’s totally subjective, a guessing game.

Truth is: No one can predict what’s going to happen.

You could throw one at someone with a message attached.

On YouTube, people like Bisan Owda visit some of these places, you can see what it’s like.

I agree, autocracy sucks!

The academic concept of Elite Panic is actually more about how wealthy elites view mutal aid activities (communities helping themselves to survive - people helping people outside of state assistace programs) during times if crisis.

It turns out that in multiple real world disaster examples elites see humans self-organising as a direct threat that needs to be combatted with state forces of organization - such as police and military intervention.

This is because Elite Panic is really about a kind of fear that the poorer classes are going to use disasters as an excuse to kill the nearest rich person (rather than act with any sense of shared humanity or community in mind).

In response Elites tend to demand that police/governments shoot “looters” and anyone that isn’t official basically. Elites demand forms of “Command and Control” fascism in disasters because they’re paranoid and fearful of poor people.

That’s basically the academic concept/theory under the name “Elite Panic”. They get very twtchy, demanding, and needy during disasters, projecting their paranoia and spending most of the time demanding state action like an over indulged Karen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_panic

Behind the Bastards did an episode about it:

https://youtu.be/_j9L2ppuANc

We’re always going to end up with people who can manipulate a crowd being in charge. We’re stupid like that.

Here’s one to go get angry about, the Jordan Peterson crowd saying “Communism is slavery to the state”.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/1fli6xc/socialists_hate_capitalism_because_they_dont/lo3xkyb/

Look up the concept of “Elite Panic”.

No dumb ass, nor did I ever say that by pointing out that the Black Panthers were Maoist in their food distribution program (see their Wikipedia page for details).

That’s just how far I’ve given up on reformist Capitalism and establishment corruption.

…but also on well meaning idealism that has little meaningful to offer.

You know what would be great, an honest, true, and transparent political system, and maximum wealth limits.

…like we can express good intentions and desires all day. That’s cool, but there are hard problems in the way, and at some point utopianism is a distraction from realism and genuine analysis of what those hard problems are.

Cool, glad it got resolved so simply and neatly, good job everyone! 👍

P.S remember when the Black Panthers had to enforce the right to have a free breakfast program, by patrolling the streets with guns? They we’re Maoist by the way (Maoism dictates using the community to set up community services). Glad things are so much simpler now. Operating on kind comments, thoughts and prayers 🙏

I’ve seen this episode, at first after the revolution there’s three full plates of food. The party is doing well in power, then they consolidate power, the food portions get smaller as party elites get richer and more powerful.

Eventually it’s just three plastic replicas of food, as they acknowledge everyone eats differently. Eventually it’s just a badge or picture of the plates of food. By that time class based Capitalism has been restarted by the new party oligarchs, they even have more control and oversight than the current Capitalists.

What I mean is, you can’t “should” us to a new and better system. You have to fully understand the current one, its weaknesses and strengths and the minds/views/motivations of every class and type in it before you can come up with something that is entirely and peacefully transition motivated, and has a better option to transition to… What’s more the whole journey has to appeal to human nature and satisfy some if not all those needs… Even if you don’t personally share all those needs… And you have to be realistic about such.

Rules for Rulers comes as close as I’ve seen on this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

Most of the deaths under Stalin were from the conman Trofim Lysenko, who created “Lysenkoism” (a set of farming techniques he was faking the data on to get paid), and under both Mao and Stalin were from unwanted famines.

Fascism is Capitalism’s immune system, activated when the wealth gap gets too large.

Yep, so much of Reddit is like that… Creating an adversarial relationship with users …and just like YouTube slowing down people using ad blockers, or games demanding people be online, it will eventually drive people away.

Death by a thousand self-inflicted cuts.

…and all so they can steal our collective content, creativity, and every piece of individual thought or content we’ve ever communicated online.

…with the aim of exploiting it to make billionaires richer.

CAPITAL-ism is aimed and designed to benefit those with the capital.

Okay, I tried it, it’s not for me. Would be WAY better if the track pad was logarithmic so the cursor was closer to your thumb as it got lower on the screen, eventually meeting your thumb when dragged low enough.

If it had that feature (and played well with the bluelight filter I use, twilight) I’d be sold on it.

You can just connect a Bluetooth mouse if you have one and a cursor will appear natively.

From Wikipedia:

“Elite panic”* is a term coined by Rutgers University researchers Caron Chess and Lee Clarke to describe the behavior of members of the elite during disaster events,[1] typically characterized by a fear of civil disorder and the shifting of focus away from disaster relief towards implementing measures of “command and control”.[2]

Further research from Scott Bonn suggests that a cozy, mutually beneficial relationship between the news media and political elites plays a significant role in moral panic processes. He draws on prior studies to conclude that the news media and political elites (“especially presidents”) work in tandem in the generation of moral panics and societal issues, thus constructing and crafting policy and public concern in relation to their own priorities.[3]