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Cake day: February 9th, 2023

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  • How exactly is poultry a grey area? Have you met birds before?

    I have, they are capable of feeling pain and possess reasonable intelligence. I just don’t consider them sapient in a way that matters. If you cut off a chicken’s head, it will still act like a chicken. This implies that most of what a chicken feels mentally is instinctual. If you cut off my head and I came into work the next day acting normal, it would raise serious questions about the nature of human consciousness. Poultry shouldn’t suffer unnecessarily, but I doubt it has much sapience. Thus a gray area depending on how you judge their intelligence and your own morals.

    I hear what you’re saying about oysters (even though I disagree)

    Vegans always say that but not a single person has ever responded to that point in my 6 years of making it. If you disagree, do what the vegans I’ve talked with failed to do and address it please.

    making the same case for fish/octopus

    You shouldn’t eat octopus. Everything I said about poultry applies 3 fold to fish. Less capacity to feel pain and less sapience. I don’t consider a creature that acts entirely on instinct to have any right to life.




  • I agree with vegans on 90% of things but the vegan position is ultimately arbitrary on what’s allowed and disallowed.

    Vegans, generally speaking, do not eat any animals. Oysters are not vegan despite the fact that they do not have a brain and their nervous system is extremely simple, they are more or less meat plants. They do not suffer nor have anything in which suffering could be inflicted. If such a simple creature is worthy of life, then most plants we eat are also worthy of life. If not, then veganism is not a moral imperative.

    As demonstrated, the line that vegans draw around the animal kingdom is mostly arbitrary. Eating cows and other mammals is absolutely a bad thing. Poultry is a gray area. Most seafood is probably safe to eat. The fact that I’m called a blood-mouth for eating oysters makes me skeptical of whether some vegans are arguing in good faith. If someone’s righteous indignation on what shouldn’t be eaten ends at animals arbitrarily, then I think their views are based more on a social clique than science.

    I do think they are better than the average person though even if their views are inconsistent.



  • While people in the Imperial core do benefit from imperialism to the extent that it makes them unrevolutionary, it doesn’t mean that making them worse off will make it any better outside the core.

    Increasing income inequality in America doesn’t make third-world countries any less exploited. It just means more of their labour is going to the American bourgeoisie rather than the American worker. The only argument you can really make is American workers should be worse off because they benefit from exploitation. But that’s not a Marxist position, that’s a moral position. It’s a position that only seeks to punish people.

    Regardless of whether American workers unfairly benefit from imperialism, I don’t like when children go hungry, I don’t like when LGBTQ+ folks are attacked, and I don’t like when people die because they can’t afford medication. Fighting for these things in America will not stop nor make worse the exploitation of the third-world.




  • And I do think it’s reasonable to say (correct me if I’m wrong) that Trump is the furthest right GOP candidate for at least several decades.

    Trump just says the quiet part out loud. He’s more or less a traditional republican, just more outwardly racist. In some ways, the fact that he’s an idiot with no loyalty beyond himself has lead to him being slightly less horrible in a few ways than a competent republican would be.

    I’m starting to wonder if the implicit assumption here is that if Biden wins, Trump and his base will be essentially defeated.

    Liberals have been pulling the “lesser of two evils” shtick since the 70’s. I’m not saying your wrong, they certainly do think this way. But they would think so regardless of whom the republican candidate would end up being.




  • I’m early Gen Z and the thing I kinda dislike is how shameless this generation is.

    Anime is a good example. It used to be a niche thing for nerds that you were kinda ashamed of outside of Studio Ghibli, but now it’s really mainstream. That’s all well and good but then you have some people with hentai stickers on their school laptop. Instead of adopting anime as a medium, we adopted the worst forms of otakuism. Instead of mass adoption tempering the worst aspects, it appears to have emboldened them instead.

    I also know some people who go around sfw anime cons and pay women to step on them in public. When I said this was kinda weird, I was the one in the friend group that got flack. Gen Z is more willing to embrace their weird habits but some stuff should be done at home or with private groups.