• EnemyBattleCrab@lemmy.world
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      It’s no, it because this comic is cringey as heck. All it does is reinforces the notion that argument around God result in circular reasoning.

      It ignores that many Christian would argue the existence of the universe is prove of God’s existence as it’s more likely an omnipotent being willed it into existence then everything happening solely by chance. Which is the prove that the punch line claims Christian screech about. Einstein himself proclaimed “God does not play dice with the universe” (Im not well read enough to debate this but I’m pretty such quantum physics disproves this quote)

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        How does the existence of the universe serve as anything other than proof that the universe itself exists?

        It’s like somebody pointing at a random rock and claiming that because it’s there, a leprechaun must have put it there.

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          “I don’t understand why it exists, so it’s gotta be god.” (Pronounced jod, btw)

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            That’s pretty much it - the analogy used is if you find a stop watch in the wood, the stop watch doesn’t just appear out of thin air - someone must have placed it or dropped it there.

            Makes more sense then the ontological argument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument) - God must exist because intrinsically something omnipotent must exists.

            It’s not quite the “You find prove to disprove my god” the comic paints Christian out to be.

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        it’s more likely an omnipotent being willed it into existence then everything happening solely by chance

        It… is? 😅 I don’t ever remember gods showing up in the equations–not even the quantum ones–but go on

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        Many christians would be wrong :)

        Also you absolutely misunderstood the “god” Einstein references XD

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        it’s more likely an omnipotent being willed it into existence then everything happening solely by chance.

        The problem with invoking God is that you end up right back at the same problem. If God created the universe, what created God? Any answer to that question can just be applied to the question of the universe itself.

        God does not play dice with the universe

        Einstein’s quote is him voicing his displeasure about the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics. He thought the universe must be deterministic, though I don’t know exactly why. It was probably just a gut level thing.

        Even though quantum mechanics is fundamentally probabilistic (you can’t know the outcome of an event until you do it, you can only predict probable outcomes) there are still people who argue the universe could still be deterministic. Their argument is essentially that even though quantum appears probabilistic, it could actually be deterministic and there’s just some completely unknown variable we have yet to discover determining the outcomes that we see as probabilistic.

        But, you know, until we discover such a variable or a way to prove that it must exist, the universe seems to be probabilistic on the small scale.