And I cannot stress this enough: bury their bones in an unmarked ditch.
Those are original Warhol boxes. Two Brillos, a Motts and a Campbells tomato soup. Multiple millions worth of original art, set on the floor by the front door.
Theres a regular customer whom i do plumbing work for, for the last 3 or 4 years. These belong to her. She also has Cherub Riding a Stag, and a couple other Warhols that i cannot identify, along with other originals by other artists that i also cannot identify. I have to go back to her house this coming Monday, i might get photos of the rest of her art, just so i can figure out what it is.
Even though i dont have an artistic bone in my entire body, i can appreciate art. I have negative feelings on private art like this that im too dumb to elucidate on.
eat the fucking rich. they are good for nothing.
Exactly my point. Warhol’s “subversions” are so entrenched and established now that it seems absurd to me that they get to keep wearing the “subversion” tag while also commanding the status quo and the gold standard of what is considered to be art for much of the contemporary establishment.
From what I read about Warhol as a person, I suspect he’d be downright condescending to you if you showed him your work. The good things he did for you weren’t for those that came after him and were less than accidents; I think he’d have outright contempt for anything like a working class art movement unless he could directly make a buck off of it.
I don’t like the guy. Let me be clear there. I like the effect he had. Net gain.
I halfway agree with you but I can’t be sure if it’s a net gain considering the entire point of Warhol getting subsidized by the feds was to culturally derail Soviet-inspired art and cultural movements among college age kids in the west. I don’t know what might have come of that without the reactionary culture jamming; maybe not much at all, but who knows?
I don’t think they needed much help. My pro with post modernism is holy fuck does it describe the current condition but the con and it’s a big one is thst it ignores changing it. Post modern problems require modern solutions so to speak, by which I mean Marxism. So art coming from the imperial core is going to reflect the condition of the imperial core, Soviet realism wasn’t gonna evolve in America in the 60s anyway, I wanna place an honestly held opinion here and don’t wanna get removed for sectarianism so mods, this reflects my suspicions and not necessarily the opinions of GalaxyBrain or theye affiliates but the CIA’s goal in all this culture jamming regarding post modernism and Orwell etc was to push the American left towards anarchism. I can’t expand on thst without getting into trouble which makes this conversation maybe a bit tougher, but I’ll say.that post modernism isn’t wrong, it just really accurately describes this hellscspe and offers nothing Marxism doesn’t while sometimes pretending to be better.
Also Soviet art at the time did kinda suck.
There’s an old saying about irony being the song of a bird that’s come to love its cage.
Ideologically, I feel similarly about postmodernism’s core messaging. I’m not sermonizing against either as a concept on its own as much as saying they really do effectively cage people ideologically when they become and end as well as a means. “Everything is ambigious and vague, interpretation can not be decisively pinned down, therefore knowledge and ignorance are one and the same, dae to each their own” seems like a contraceptive against revolutionary momentum to me.
I think it’s true right now and that’s a bad thing. Accurate analysis, but doesn’t solve shit
I completely agree with you. I got restless in such art and literature courses (I had quite a few) and deep down, I wanted to say “all right, fine. It’s vague and ambiguous. Now what?”
That is the point it’s ambiguity and pointlessness all the way down. It’s not like the Frankfurt school thought this was a good condition to be under either. The now what hasn’t changed cause we haven’t done that yet. Post modernism is a shitty name and that I do blame on the cia cause it’s too convenient and doesn’t sound great in French. Post modernism is the inherently temporary place we occupy right now, and that’s worth having a good look at, but it’s located at the end of the rubber band that is real material modernism. Post modern should just be called late capital, it’s more accurate.
I’d like to eventually leave that pit and see what else is possible but the pit instead of sitting in the pit or digging the pit deeper while saying “pit, pit, the pit is the point.” Yes, the pit is the point. Sometimes I’d like to not be in the pit and see what else is out there without it being dismissed as “just a painting” or “poems that rhyme aren’t serious poetry.”
Even the people in this thread that you’ve dunked on for seeing Warhol’s work on a subjective face-value level (and seeing it as, understandably, bleak and ugly) are saying they want to get off of Mr. Bones’ Wild Ride, so to speak. A half century (more than a century to be exact if you go back to the roots of the art movement) of saying “gotcha, expectations subverted” is ossifying more and more and maybe something new and different will actually seize the next century’s art experience. I can only hope, because reflecting the bleakness of the present status quo, to me, is as ponderous and tiresome as the present status quo itself.
And also he did do art for the Velvet Undeground. Yknow, squatting junkies.
Starbucks provided venues for beat poetry groups, especially early on. Also unsure about whether the Starbucks empire was a net gain there.
More directly to the point, Wal-Mart has had a long tradition of letting people park and sleep in their parking lots. Squatters of a similar feather.
These are both absurd comparisons and you should know it.
I picked some glaringly distinct ones on purpose, showing the outer margins of bad movements nonetheless providing some benefit in a “trickle down” fashion in their wake.
They’re both corporations and corporations aren’t people.