Either you ridin’ or we pass you, flyin’ by sayin’ fuck you

    • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      171·
      1 year ago

      my take is that foreign policy differences won’t matter until we have built more than 0.00000000001% of communism
      and frankly anarchists are way better at local level shit than we are
      i say this as an active member of a marxist-leninist party for the last 15 years

        • Sickos [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.netEnglish
          133·
          1 year ago

          Smdh my dick head you’d think with all the fucking books the intellectual Marxists carry around they’d have the muscle to lob a brick once in a while. Put those arms to a better use in the present than jacking each other off about dreams of fighting anarchists in the future.

        • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          122·
          1 year ago

          having done extensive on the ground work, irl anarchists are nothing like internet anarchists in my experience
          the worst you will get as an ML is a snide comment or a weird look, which if that bothers you, you are not suited to organizing
          and frankly “supporting” china has no material impact whatsoever, and implies a very “posting is praxis” western marxist worldview

          • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
            64·
            1 year ago

            Supporting China in the form of creating anti-cold war coalitions can have a material impact. It can at least delay and disrupt the imperial machine while they figure out how to pass laws so that calling a Congressperson a loser now earns someone prison time, etc.

            Also a great way to expose people to the police reaction that will occur when you organize anything in this vein of any importance. Gotta keep innoculating more and more people so that we don’t get easily murdered when cool zones hit.

            • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              82·
              1 year ago

              are you fucking high?

              since when has the us imperial war machine gave the tiniest shit about what the people think?

              and even if they did, the average american sees everyone outside of america as subhuman and worthy of scorn, you think they would oppose a war?

              • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                44·
                1 year ago

                The imperial war machine is constantly lobbying for its interests and against sentiments that may disrupt its aims. It is virtually always successful on the national stage, but local organizing can and has massively disrupted supply chains and manufacturing centers. This is why a lot of environmentalism actions are now criminal, even treated as terrorism: they did and do actually force a response, and that sucks away resources from the top in a lose-lose material exchange but with the benefit of innoculating the public from the notion that things are going well, that those companies are on their side, etc. It also teaches your org members that there is no bottom to the depravity to which capital will respond to disruption. Gotta plan accordingly to ensure actions have informed consent, of course - and a clear-eyed goal.

                Anyways, the war machine lobbies because they do actually perceive a need to “grease the wheels” to get things going. They don’t throw money at think tanks and Senators and PR campaigns for nothing. And that can be undermined with several aforementioned benefits.

                And no, I agree, most Americans are confused and easily led into fashy thinking and frothing for genocide. The actions I’m talking about don’t have naive goals like, “we will convince everyone to oppose US imperialism on principle”. Innoculation can be as simple as being tear gas seeping in your window while the cops beat protesters. The liberal inside may not join the protesters (yet), but they do see the lopsided reaction and a few gears start to turn.

                These are the kinds of things we use to peel away libs person by person to build power. Especially younger people.

            • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              112·
              1 year ago

              my point is that it doesn’t matter at all
              we are barely past the starting gun of communism
              the generations before us (in the west) got complacent and dropped the fucking ball
              at this moment, having anarchists as allies can only benefit the working class, they have better support networks, making a real difference to people’s lives on the ground
              we can deal with our differences when we aren’t completely outnumbered and outgunned by the overt fascists who are trying to kill us, and the movement dead
              and make no mistake, i will probably be in my sixties by the time that fucking happens, and you in your forties

            • AssaultRifle15 [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              9·
              1 year ago

              Whether they’re all-in on China or think that Xi is the anti-Christ, the end result is exactly the same: absolutely nothing whatsoever. There isn’t a local left, much less a national left; certainly there isn’t anything that anybody could seriously call an international movement. The opinions of random westerners mean absolutely nothing to the CCP. Fixating on what we have zero influence over is wholly unproductive.

              Maybe in 20 years we’ll have cobbled together a movement that Beijing thinks is even worth offering a nod to, but right now we’re a bit too irrelevant to worry about our place on the global stage.

            • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              102·
              1 year ago

              you know what, fuck it, i’m done being nice to you larpers

              GO THE FUCK OUTSIDE AND DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR FUCKING LIFE YOU WORTHLESS FUCKING PRICK

                • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  94·
                  1 year ago

                  I dunno I think dismissively quoting 19th century political philosophical divisions in response to someone pointing to the importance of real-world on the ground mass organizing is firmly in the realm of idealism.

                  The science of revolution requires a grounding in the conditions of the working class and an aptitude for organizing a mass base. Many anarchists are far ahead of many Western MLs in this respect, as being a Western ML is unfortunately often treated more like an identity or club rather than an activity or life dedication or science.

    • Ronin_5@lemmygrad.ml
      2·
      1 year ago

      ML is pretty important. If you support China because you think they’re great capitalists, then that’s pretty sus. Supporting China while being ML shows that you’re pragmatic and not dogmatic.

      Either way, just these three are fairly loose standards already.