Socialist movements have provided healthcare, education, literacy programs, doubled life expectancy in Russia and China, and far more. The vast majority of those who lived in the USSR regret the fall of socialism. The vast majority of Chinese citizens approve of their system.
I’m sure north Koreans would regret the fall of the un family too, so that is hardly an argument. Russians have been brainwashed into their imperialistic superiority and think they have an innate right to lands occupied by other nations and they believe bombing their homes is justified to achieve this. That is imperialism and that is fascism.
There is something seriously wrong with people glorifying mass murderers like those.
Further, it’s the Kim family, Un is half of Kim Jong-Un’s given name. The fact that you have no clue how Korean names work yet feel confident in speaking about it is just chauvanism, same with your racist rant against Russians.
Finally, the Soviet Union was neither fascist nor imperialist. Fascism supports private property and the bourgeoisie, socialism supports the proletariat and collectivized property. They are opposites. Read Blackshirts and Reds.
The entire project of MKUltra was the US trying and failing to prove brainwashing exists. The fact of the matter is that socialists support socialist systems because of the benefits they provide, like greater access to healthcare and education, and more democratization than capitalist systems. It isn’t blind loyalty, but a genuine belief based on material improvements in their lives as compared to previous conditions that results in citizens of socialist countries defending their system. The same applies for USians that defend the genocidal imperialist US regime.
As for the name-correction, I pointed it out because anyone who has spent more than 5 seconds learning about Korea in general knows that Kim Jong-Un’s father was Kim Jong-Il, and Kim Il-Sung his father. If you’re trying to critique the persistence of the Kim family in the DPRK’s politics yet don’t even know their names, it’s abundantly clear that you have no clue what you’re talking about and have done no study, no reading. All you have is chauvanism. You cannot critique the DPRK based on vibes, you need to actually study it, otherwise your critique is just based on personal feelings of superiority.
Yes, the Soviet Union liberated many areas, but millitary intervention isn’t imperialism. Imperialism is a method of economic extraction. The US and western Europe are imperialist becayse they use their vast financial capital to expropriate vast sums of wealth from the global south, the USSR never practiced that, nor could it, as its economy wasn’t based on financial capital but public ownership and collective planning. The majority of people who lived in the Soviet Union want it back.
Please, read a book. I linked several articles and books for you to serve as a good start, right now you’re just proving the meme correct with your far-right chauvanism driving all of your points. You’re so far-right even Wikipedia is too “woke” for you for showing that “brainwashing” doesn’t exist and was just an invention of the CIA during the Cold War.
That was a lot of words to say :“I read some propaganda and now I think I understand the world better than everyone else.”
“Brainwashing doesn’t exist.”
So we’re tossing out decades of psychological research, cult deprogramming, coercive reeducation tactics all because the CIA tried and failed to weaponize it? That’s like saying gravity doesn’t exist because Wile e Coyote fell off a cliff too many times. Congrats on discovering that governments lie, but somehow you skipped the part where all of them do, not just the ones with Wall Street.
“People support socialism because it brings material benefits.”
Ah yes, North Korea, the global poster child for free healthcare, happiness and freedom. People aren’t starving in silence because they love rice rations and songbun caste systems, no, they’re just really passionate about collectivism, right?
“Name correction proves you don’t know anything.”
Imagine thinking that knowing Kim Il-Sung fathered Kim Jong-Il makes you an expert on geopolitics. That’s like bragging you know Mario’s last name is also Mario and thinking it qualifies you to lecture on Italian history.
“The USSR wasn’t imperialist, it just used tanks to liberate people.”
This is peak doublespeak. When NATO intervenes, it’s imperialism. When the USSR does it, it’s “liberation.” Did the Afghans and Hungarians send thankyou cards or just more bodies to the gulag?
“Imperialism is only economic.”
Tell that to the Eastern Bloc countries whose economies were entirely dependent on Soviet central planning, political obedience, and “fraternal aid” in the form of puppet regimes. But sure, because they didn’t have a Wall Street, they were basically saints.
“Wikipedia is too woke for you.”
Right, because when your position collapses under basic scrutiny, the only move left is to call anyone who disagrees far-right. Classic tankie bingo. Sorry, but being critical of all oppressive regimes doesn’t make someone “far-right.” It makes them intellectually consistent, something you clearly struggle with.
You want people to read? Try reading beyond niche tankie pdfs. Read Solzhenitsyn. Read The Gulag Archipelago. Read defectors stories. Or maybe talk to people who actually lived under these regimes instead of roleplaying revolution.
You’re not antiimperialist. You are not even acommunist, you just like the taste of authoritarian boot from the east.
Ah yes, equating a working class movement that uplifted hundreds of millions from poverty and killed 85% of the Nazis in World War II with a genocidal bourgeois reaction that murdered tens of millions out of racial, sexual, ableist, and political supremacy. Gotta love historical nihilism and horseshoe theory.
Aw come on mods, I wanted to see what Mr. I Don’t Have a Concept of What Different Words Mean had to say. I’m sure it was something super smart and enlightening.
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Yes indeed, providing for all is basically the same as genocide.
You mean how all your great leaders provided cheap funerals and traumatic experiences for everyone?
Socialist movements have provided healthcare, education, literacy programs, doubled life expectancy in Russia and China, and far more. The vast majority of those who lived in the USSR regret the fall of socialism. The vast majority of Chinese citizens approve of their system.
I’m sure north Koreans would regret the fall of the un family too, so that is hardly an argument. Russians have been brainwashed into their imperialistic superiority and think they have an innate right to lands occupied by other nations and they believe bombing their homes is justified to achieve this. That is imperialism and that is fascism.
There is something seriously wrong with people glorifying mass murderers like those.
“Brainwashing” as a concept doesn’t exist. People license themselves to believe that which benefits them is good. The concept of “brainwashing” was invented by an American to justify why people support socialism. Read Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing.”
Further, it’s the Kim family, Un is half of Kim Jong-Un’s given name. The fact that you have no clue how Korean names work yet feel confident in speaking about it is just chauvanism, same with your racist rant against Russians.
Finally, the Soviet Union was neither fascist nor imperialist. Fascism supports private property and the bourgeoisie, socialism supports the proletariat and collectivized property. They are opposites. Read Blackshirts and Reds.
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I guess you’re so far-right even Wikipedia is too “left” for you?
The entire project of MKUltra was the US trying and failing to prove brainwashing exists. The fact of the matter is that socialists support socialist systems because of the benefits they provide, like greater access to healthcare and education, and more democratization than capitalist systems. It isn’t blind loyalty, but a genuine belief based on material improvements in their lives as compared to previous conditions that results in citizens of socialist countries defending their system. The same applies for USians that defend the genocidal imperialist US regime.
As for the name-correction, I pointed it out because anyone who has spent more than 5 seconds learning about Korea in general knows that Kim Jong-Un’s father was Kim Jong-Il, and Kim Il-Sung his father. If you’re trying to critique the persistence of the Kim family in the DPRK’s politics yet don’t even know their names, it’s abundantly clear that you have no clue what you’re talking about and have done no study, no reading. All you have is chauvanism. You cannot critique the DPRK based on vibes, you need to actually study it, otherwise your critique is just based on personal feelings of superiority.
Yes, the Soviet Union liberated many areas, but millitary intervention isn’t imperialism. Imperialism is a method of economic extraction. The US and western Europe are imperialist becayse they use their vast financial capital to expropriate vast sums of wealth from the global south, the USSR never practiced that, nor could it, as its economy wasn’t based on financial capital but public ownership and collective planning. The majority of people who lived in the Soviet Union want it back.
Please, read a book. I linked several articles and books for you to serve as a good start, right now you’re just proving the meme correct with your far-right chauvanism driving all of your points. You’re so far-right even Wikipedia is too “woke” for you for showing that “brainwashing” doesn’t exist and was just an invention of the CIA during the Cold War.
That was a lot of words to say :“I read some propaganda and now I think I understand the world better than everyone else.”
So we’re tossing out decades of psychological research, cult deprogramming, coercive reeducation tactics all because the CIA tried and failed to weaponize it? That’s like saying gravity doesn’t exist because Wile e Coyote fell off a cliff too many times. Congrats on discovering that governments lie, but somehow you skipped the part where all of them do, not just the ones with Wall Street.
Ah yes, North Korea, the global poster child for free healthcare, happiness and freedom. People aren’t starving in silence because they love rice rations and songbun caste systems, no, they’re just really passionate about collectivism, right?
Imagine thinking that knowing Kim Il-Sung fathered Kim Jong-Il makes you an expert on geopolitics. That’s like bragging you know Mario’s last name is also Mario and thinking it qualifies you to lecture on Italian history.
This is peak doublespeak. When NATO intervenes, it’s imperialism. When the USSR does it, it’s “liberation.” Did the Afghans and Hungarians send thankyou cards or just more bodies to the gulag?
Tell that to the Eastern Bloc countries whose economies were entirely dependent on Soviet central planning, political obedience, and “fraternal aid” in the form of puppet regimes. But sure, because they didn’t have a Wall Street, they were basically saints.
Right, because when your position collapses under basic scrutiny, the only move left is to call anyone who disagrees far-right. Classic tankie bingo. Sorry, but being critical of all oppressive regimes doesn’t make someone “far-right.” It makes them intellectually consistent, something you clearly struggle with.
You want people to read? Try reading beyond niche tankie pdfs. Read Solzhenitsyn. Read The Gulag Archipelago. Read defectors stories. Or maybe talk to people who actually lived under these regimes instead of roleplaying revolution.
You’re not antiimperialist. You are not even acommunist, you just like the taste of authoritarian boot from the east.
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Ahh well one day you’ll learn to apply the same critical thinking skills to intangibles.
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Ah yes, equating a working class movement that uplifted hundreds of millions from poverty and killed 85% of the Nazis in World War II with a genocidal bourgeois reaction that murdered tens of millions out of racial, sexual, ableist, and political supremacy. Gotta love historical nihilism and horseshoe theory.
Read Blackshirts and Reds. Quit it with the Holocaust minimization.
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Yeah you do.
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You literally opened this thread by comparing socialists to fascists.
The hate is just fueled by the capitalist US empire, you should not continue to spread it
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Thinking nazis and communists are exactly the same is so brutally stupid that I don’t even know what to say man.
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Aw come on mods, I wanted to see what Mr. I Don’t Have a Concept of What Different Words Mean had to say. I’m sure it was something super smart and enlightening.