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Yeah I don’t get it. Did microsoft say they would stop forcing edge on users?
One of many reasons I’m on Linux now and have been for years. I got tired of the bs and the increasing need fo reinstall often they forced on me…At least when I do it, it’s my fault or I’m jumping distros lol
I’ve just been installing updates since 2016 for windows 10. I just fix what I break and learn from it just like on any other OS.
Same! I installed W10 in 2016 too, when I built a new Intel 6th Gen system. Just kept on working until earlier this year when the motherboard died. Got a new 12th Gen chip and motherboard from a different vendor, stuck my seven year old boot drive in, entered the bitlocker key, and… it just worked. New drivers installed once I was back online and I just carried on as before. It genuinely surprised me how robust 10 is.
Eventually I ruined things this summer by accepting the 11 upgrade. I was tempted by windows subsystem for android.
11 worked ok and I found the UI changes tolerable, but after a month I started getting bluescreens I couldn’t fix, so this week I finally gave in and wiped my antique install from the boot drive and installed a fresh copy.
It bluescreened pretty quickly, I figured the issue was almost certainly due to a particular piece of software I used. Removed that and it’s been stable since. I could probably just restore my last backup, remove the problem program and continue. But I guess I was due a clean install, and while it wasn’t laggy or slow before, it does feel a little snappier.I mean lucky you. Usually my problem was shiz would get slow all the time on it. Haven’t ever had that issue when I switched. Windows was just constantly getting more and more unstable for me…and I didn’t ever mess with anything to make it act like that…
Cool - forcing ads into the start menu, forcing edge on users. Guess like Win10 is where I leave windows forever.
I downloaded Mandrake Linux back in 1992. I’ve always fiddled with linux over the years but could never fulfill all my needs. But things have changed recently. I’ve started using ChatGPT to help me when I hit roadblocks with Linux, and it’s REALLY helped work around the various barriers that have kept me from fully adopting linux. Honestly, I am looking forward to switching entirely over to Linux for my business - I’m tired of Windows. And I’ve been here since Win3.1!!
I haven’t seen any ads, so my feelings about Windows might change at some point. But I’ve tried linux in the past, and there’s a reason why it just doesn’t get as much adoption.
First of all, linux seems to be built around the command line. I hate using the command line, and I’m sure I’m not the only one. Everytime there’s something to troubleshoot I have to figure out command line inputs and outputs.
Second, the annoying issues with windows are annoying, but I’ve learnt to figure it out. No, I don’t want to set as default, no I don’t want to send data, no i don’t want to create a MS account. Even if I didn’t figure it out, I can still change it later - sending data is annoying af and i don’t like it, but it doesn’t stop me from doing something. On the other hand, i encounter issues with linux that stop me from actually using the OS all the time. Everytime I do, I have to post in forums asking for help, wait 12-36 hours while using an alternate OS/workaround, and dread the inevitable use of command-line that follows.
The use of command line is literally Linux’s biggest strength and why they dominate the server space. Linux servers can be run “headless” with no monitor and no Graphical User Interface. Command Line only. GUI takes so much processing power from the CPU/GPU and it eats up RAM.
Until very recently, Windows servers required much higher system specs to run the server because windows was never primarily command line. You always had to have a GUI, no headless.
MS has gone whole hog with PowerShell, their answer to Linux. They even have versions of server that run headless now.
Sorry, I just think its a little funny that your biggest complaint is the thing that made Linux so powerful and that Windows has been playing catch-up with Linux in that arena for over a decade now.
i don’t doubt that linux has its uses and command-line is powerful. What I’m saying is >80% of users only know how to use a GUI, and that is why linux won’t go mainstream without having a GUI for everything user-facing.
There is an enterprise windows version that comes without tracking, telemetry and auto installed crapware, but it costs more.
“Just switch to Linux!!!1!!” - yeah sure, and throw away the 3rd party software licenses I paid money for in the last 20 years, not to mention the games…
For casual users that only need a web browser, a mail client and an office suite, Linux is a great replacement for Windows.
You all keep saying that, and I’m not saying I can’t ultimately make the move, but there’s always something that doesn’t quite work as easily.
Then there’s always a solution to that which isn’t quite what you want and involves a lot of terminal which isn’t really something casual users want.
For me this time it was OneDrive which I want to be able to use, trust, and have control over without terminal commands and a half baked GUI. I get it, fuck Microsoft, but it’s already paid for and we’re not moving because my wife, who is doing dome contracting work, doesn’t want to mess with what she is familiar with.
doesn’t want to mess with what she is familiar with
That does make change difficult.
Incredibly so.
There is also the issue that if you want to work together with other companies who use 365, they often want you to send them files in Office formats. Yes, you can also make Office 365 work on Linux, but at that point people already don’t want to try it out anymore.
Personally I just tried Linux Mint for a short period and there is a lot to love. But I’m doing a huge personal project in which I’m reorganizing tens of thousands of photos which I want to store in OneDrive and backup on a drive. Currently I’m just more familiar with Windows and I understand how OneDrive works (instead of something like rclone on Linux). After I’m done I’m going to reinstall Mint or something similar on my secondary SSD and try to set up OneDrive in a satisfying way.
Ironically I’m biting the hand that feeds me as I work as a lowcode developer using Microsoft Dynamics/Power Platform. But still, Microsoft can eat a bag of sweaty sausages for what they’ve done with privacy, bloat, annoying restrictions in Windows 10/11.
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Linux needs more GUIs for managing complex settings.
openSUSE has YaST which covers almost all complex settings… it’s not perfect, but it tries
consent, microsoft, have you learned nothing from me too
They learned that if you’re famous enough and have enough money “they let you do it” to quote our former (slight retch) President.
I much prefer having Linux forced on me in comment sections instead. Linux is the operating system I use btw.
Have you heard of our savior Firefox/LibreWolf?
He sits beside us and our Evolution email client.
Yeah, it’s so inconvenient that people in online comment sections can install an operating system on my computer and force me to use it!
Yup. And this is why I have to re-set my default pdf reader out of Edge every few weeks.
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The problem with purging Edge is my Windows 10 install will not open Firefox when the OS calls for a browser. For instance certain help screens are displayed in Edge or they aren’t displayed at all. And then there are Microsoft’s repeated reinstallations of Edge when running updates.
I have only one PC still running Windows and that’s only because Microsoft deleted my dual boot Linux partition and it is difficult and time consuming to reinstall, but Windows will be blown away soon…
Microsoft has been abusing their customers due to their market position for years and Justice Department needs to reopen that anti-trust suit. Time to break the company up.
There’s no way windows would’ve deleted your dual boot partition, your Linux bootloader? Yes ive seen it do that a hundred times over, but I have never seen it overwrite an entire Linux EXT4 partition. The only time it would do that is if you installed it after installing Linux and did a reccomended install instead of a custom install.
So if you haven’t seen something happen it couldn’t have happened to any of the billions of people in the world? If I said my computer won’t power up someone here would insist I don’t know how to press the power button.
I use edge and onedrive. I like my settings in a particular way. However, microsoft thinks it’s okay to change the system settings every few days because in their infinite wisdom I can’t use their products enough without them forcing them down my throat every chance they get.
It’s gotten to a point where I change the settings via registery key, but after a few hours it reverts back
Out of curiosity, what settings are you seeing revert that quickly? That sounds like somehow you’ve got intune or something configured, and its periodically running a config resync.
I use winaero to customize this pc folder and the left navigation pane. Doing this means I have custom items in both of them. But onedrive automatically adds itself to the left pane every time I remove it. Some time ago a used a batch file to automatically write the registery entry to remove it, but microsoft started rewriting the default after a few hours. At that point it was just frustrating so I gave up.
Now every time microsoft asks if I will recommend windows I say its good but since it’s forced down my throat, I won’t recommend it
Do you actively use OneDrive? Sounds like it has a pesistence mechanism to help out less techie people so they don’t lose access to it (as an IT guy, I’ve seen that more often than I can count), so it may be better to disable the program rather than fighting OneDrive.
Unfortunately, yes. I was lucky enough to get a not so insignificant space in onedrive. It has helped me out more times than I can count. I clearly understand why this feature is included, and no it’s not so that boomers don’t lose it out. It is pure marketing.
If it was a genuine effort to help out people, it wouldn’t be so in your face. They’d realize that if someone’s disabling it through registery then they probably don’t use onedrive or that they absolutely do not need it,
Fun story: we just had the first week of uni here and over the summer all the school computers had been updated to Windows 11. During the first class then naturally all the professors were logging in to the computers for the first time. Upon opening the course syllabus, every single time, a big popup would appear on the screen about how Edge is so great and asking for analytics data permission. About half of the professors just agreed to everything fast to get it out of the way but the other half did reject it. In one case a professor was reading over the whole thing for at least 30 seconds
I have all traces of Edge completely removed from my Windows 11 install.
I’m not as techy as people around lemmy. Some time has gone by since W11 got released, what do you think of it?
I just dipped my toe in the last few days or so. It’s missing some QoL that existed in previous versions.
I run 3 monitors. My center one is my primary display with the other 2 just being extra real estate. I wanted my taskbar to be on the left monitor and out of the way. On W10, you’d unlock the taskbar, drag it to the monitor you wanted it, then lock it up again.
W11 will either let you have it on all of your monitors or only your primary monitor. I don’t want all my stuff opening on a secondary monitor by default.
I know it’s petty, but it’s frustrating to have an easy feature stripped
Wanting good usability isn’t petty
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Also, please, don’t fall for the Reddit (and now Lemmy) bizarre habit of showing a screenshot of Windows using 4 GBs of RAM and claiming “iT’s AlL tHe bLoaT” because that’s not how Windows’ RAM allocation has worked for the past two decades.
RAM usage is RAM usage, and besides the allocation still being awful and you probably having less RAM available in a heavy task, this means substantial power consumption, that costs money.
You can think that it’s normal to do a bunch of things that threaten the system stability to get an OS that barely pretends it’s not spying on you anymore. I do not think it’s. I don’t think it’s normal to have to disable advertising on a paid system, but to each their own “¯_(ツ)_/¯”.
Windows has been doing prefetching and caching all the way from 7 but even more so since 10. Also since 10 it does memory compression too.
RAM usage is RAM usage, and besides the allocation still being awful and you probably having less RAM available in a heavy task, this means substantial power consumption, that costs money.
Unused RAM is wasted RAM. Even if it’s just the OS keeping apps on memory for faster launches. If you do need heavy RAM for a task your OS is clever enough to reshuffle things.
Used RAM does use more electricity but that is so neglible it’s a non-issue and no argument.
Of my 32 GB at least 26 GB are constantly in use.
Even if it’s just the OS keeping apps on memory for faster launches. If you do need heavy RAM for a task your OS is clever enough to reshuffle things.
The problem is that when it is relocated, processor consumption increases. And as matter of fact, my operating system doesn’t cache anything and still opens applications very quickly, even faster than Windows.
Used RAM does use more electricity but that is so neglible it’s a non-issue and no argument.
Maybe isn’t a issue to you but for anyone with a laptop it is and it’s pretty visible.
That’s what I was most worried about, i’d heard that it hogged resources. Thanks for the info! I’ll look up if the softwares I use for work are natively compatible.
It won’t even run with less than 8 gb
Firefox? Since chrome is the worse version of edge and brave is ran by an asshole (also not big on privacy)
This is my shocked face: 😑
I’m using an Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 2021 as my personal laptop and have been contemplating switching it over to Linux for a while now.
It’s sporting an AMD Ryzen 5900HS and Nvidia RTX 3060 variant and very use steam for most of my games which I’m thinking wouldn’t pose too many issue based on what I read here often.
My core concerns are:
- Gaming is the biggest worry as my last experience with Ubuntu a few years ago was extremely frustrating with poor drivers, okay performance, and frequently requiring game specific fixes
- I sometimes require Microsoft Office (collaborative documents for freelance design work).
- I would very much like the Logitech Options+ companion software to work well or an alternative with the ability to set custom actions for all the buttons on my MX Master 3
Besides those:
- This machine’s reliance on its vendor software like Armory Crate etc. to perform well; an issue I’ve recently tackled by switching over to GHelper which unfortunately isn’t available for Linux
- I see Opensuse and Fedora recommended as plug and play with this machine and other distros requiring compiling and troubleshooting to work well; most cases quote much worse battery life than Windows and the need for multiple tools and command line fixes to achieve processor boost disabling and graphic switching
- I sometimes use trainers in single player mode for games that my friends play (which I couldn’t afford or didn’t have time for when they started) so I can catch up with their progress and play together with them; I haven’t seen anything specific about trainers like those from Fling working with Linux
Can anyone advise me regarding a good distro and whether I should go ahead with the switch considering the issues outlined above?
Thank you for your time and attention reading all that.
tl;dr: I want to switch to Linux but don’t know which distro or how stable it would be for my Asus G14 with gaming and portable battery life as the primary concerns.
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+1 for Pop_OS and their Nvidia support. I’ve been using Pop_OS as my gaming rig daily driver for about a year or year and a half at this point. It has pretty much worked flawlessly. Just about the only complaint I have with System76 is their app store GUI is laggy and has a tendency to bug out if you try doing anything with it before it refreshes when first being opened.
I wouldn’t go with Opensuse or Fedora for gaming.
Why? I use openSUSE Tumbleweed for gaming and it’s been rock solid. Seriously, I’ve never really had any issues. It has its quirks, but they are easily “fixed” by adding Packman and the Nvidia repos… and running an update.
I’ve tried Ubuntu multiple times and it was always a shitshow disaster. Mint was OK-ish, but had Ubuntu-related silliness.
https://nobaraproject.org/ There is really no reason not to try. You can just try a bootable USB first to see if Linux works for you and your hardware config. It’s a great way to test things and determine what distro and desktop environment works for you.
I’ve been using Piper for my logitech mouse: https://flathub.org/apps/org.freedesktop.Piper
I’m OK with that, now that Google is also forcing Edge on them.
