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    This is very uninformed. They were specifically talking about national liberation movements of oppressed peoples. Russia is not colonised and not fighting for independence.

    Emphasis mine:

    The struggle that the Emir of Afghanistan is waging for the independence of Afghanistan is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the monarchist views of the Emir and his associates, for it weakens, disintegrates and undermines imperialism; whereas the struggle waged by such “desperate” democrats and “Socialists,” “revolutionaries” and republicans as, for example, Kerensky and Tsereteli, Renaudel and Scheidemann, Chernov and Dan, Henderson and Clynes, during the imperialist war was a reactionary struggle, for its results was the embellishment, the strengthening, the victory, of imperialism. For the same reasons, the struggle that the Egyptians merchants and bourgeois intellectuals are waging for the independence of Egypt is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the bourgeois origin and bourgeois title of the leaders of Egyptian national movement, despite the fact that they are opposed to socialism; whereas the struggle that the British “Labour” Government is waging to preserve Egypt’s dependent position is for the same reason a reactionary struggle, despite the proletarian origin and the proletarian title of the members of the government, despite the fact that they are “for” socialism. There is no need to mention the national movement in other, larger, colonial and dependent countries, such as India and China, every step of which along the road to liberation, even if it runs counter to the demands of formal democracy, is a steam-hammer blow at imperialism, i.e., is undoubtedly a revolutionary step.

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      Russia was not colonised? Independent? Did you missed 90’s? Did US empire do not currently want to colonise it again? Did you missed literally everything happening after 90’s too? And you call me “uninformed”?

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        I lived through what happened during the 90s and I’ll always remember it, which is why I didn’t believe for a second Europe has anything in store for Ukraine (or Russia) but massacre, rape, plunder, and slavery. Bandera (and Vlasov) made this mistake, then Kravchuk (and Yeltsin) made the same mistake. Putin did too some time ago, and more recently pro-Western Ukrainian governments. We can all see the outcome for Ukrainians.

        You are uninformed about the content of the self determination theory you’re attempting to quote. It simply doesn’t apply here, apples and oranges.

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          It absolutely does apply here, you even boldened it yourself in previous post:

          There is no need to mention the national movement in other, larger, colonial and dependent countries, such as India and China, every step of which along the road to liberation

          Unless you think country cannot be colonised when it’s large and nominally independent, but again India and China prove that false.

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            The Foundations of Leninism was published in 1924 when India was under the British rule and China was in the Century of Humiliation, both would only end in the aftermath of WW2.