Sorry I didn’t realise what instance this was. But as a side note, holy Jesus fuck people weren’t exaggerating when they talked about this place. Like I’m a card carrying communist and regularly have to correct people when they parrot obvious capitalist propaganda about communist nations (“communism has killed eleventh billion people” kinda stuff) but you guys are fucking nuts and really just come off as brainwashed zealots. Like even if you’re 100% right (which I really don’t think you are based on all available evidence) you’re not convincing anyone with this smug bullshit other than yourselves. Especially when all you can manage to say is “no China not bad, because US bad” like yes, we all know the US is bad, but trying to use that to mean China is actually okay (as if everything wrong with China is just Anerican propaganda and we don’t have obvious facts, testimony from Chinese citizens and photos/video that show China is an awful place that does awful things to its citizens) is really fucking stupid.
This isn’t fake WMDs as an excuse to invade we have so many people from across China’s conquered territories that give actual evidence of this shit, from Tibet to Hong Kong, no reasonable person can possibly write all that off as “lol America lies”. But this isn’t an instance for reasonable people. So I expect you’ll want to reply with some other wall of text telling me how bad America is and because America is bad(I agree) that means China isn’t doing anything wrong. But please just don’t, spend your time doing something productive instead.
Could things be better? Probably, but shouldn’t Muslim-majority countries be speaking out if there was actual genocide? The fact that they’re defending China instead speaks volumes.
What do you mean “not even the un report”? Like you understand that China is a permanent member of the security Council and one of the most influential (and whiny) members of the organisation. Like would you assume Israel is innocent because the UN havnt called their actions in Palestine a genocide? And there was an independent investigation that did conclude China was commiting genocide by way of forced sterilisation and population control.
but shouldn’t Muslim-majority countries be speaking out if there was actual genocide?
Yes they should be if we assume them caring about fellow Muslims is there top, sincere priority, instead of idk securing a better trading relationship with the superpower that funds them instead of bombing them, but if that was a case they would speak out against Iran for what its doing to its citizens after the protests, or any other totalitarian leader of a Muslim country, yet they don’t.
Like even if you do deny it being a genocide, there is undeniable evidence that hundreds of thousands of uyghurs have been detained in the “re-education” camps and Iran doesn’t care about that either. Do you think they would be equally silent if a western country started to detain all its Muslims?
There is a good article about it here if you care to read western news articles that is
Okay breaking out the pedantry to avoid answering a question. Standard tankie tactic.
Yes or no question. Do you think Israel is commiting genocide in Palestine? If yes, do you think the fact the UN does not consider it a genocide means that it is defacto not genocide?
Okay? The explanation is still the same. Like you’re deadass trying to argue that becausethe ruthless dictator that has put his own citizens to death for wanting basic freedoms is brown nosing their largest trading partner, means there’s no genocide happening.
Like there are people in those countries that are vocally anti-china because of the genocide. They’re just the ones that aren’t on China’s payroll.
And you ignore my point about the internment of Muslims being a fact that China does not dent. So why would Muslim leaders not care about that? If not for the fact that they have political reasons to be on China’s good side?
Yes or no question. Do you think Israel is commiting [sic] genocide in Palestine?
I don’t know enough about that conflict to allege genocide. I do think Israel should stop occupying the West Bank and Gaza Strip at the bare minimum though. I think alleging genocide is a very serious matter, as it downplays the Holocaust if alleged to something that isn’t.
put his own citizens to death for wanting basic freedoms
I don’t intend to praise any actual atrocities — if the allegations in the UN report are true, those things should be condemned. I don’t remember reading in the UN report about that happening though, so please provide a source.
So why would Muslim leaders not care about that?
Maybe they genuinely do believe the “re-education” camps are actually a net positive.
I brought up the U.S. to ask if you think they’re committing genocide, since they’re actually doing what you’re accusing China of doing, or if genocide only applies to countries you don’t like.
If this is whataboutism, then what do you call bringing up Israel?
Sorry I didn’t realise what instance this was. But as a side note, holy Jesus fuck people weren’t exaggerating when they talked about this place. Like I’m a card carrying communist and regularly have to correct people when they parrot obvious capitalist propaganda about communist nations (“communism has killed eleventh billion people” kinda stuff) but you guys are fucking nuts and really just come off as brainwashed zealots. Like even if you’re 100% right (which I really don’t think you are based on all available evidence) you’re not convincing anyone with this smug bullshit other than yourselves. Especially when all you can manage to say is “no China not bad, because US bad” like yes, we all know the US is bad, but trying to use that to mean China is actually okay (as if everything wrong with China is just Anerican propaganda and we don’t have obvious facts, testimony from Chinese citizens and photos/video that show China is an awful place that does awful things to its citizens) is really fucking stupid.
This isn’t fake WMDs as an excuse to invade we have so many people from across China’s conquered territories that give actual evidence of this shit, from Tibet to Hong Kong, no reasonable person can possibly write all that off as “lol America lies”. But this isn’t an instance for reasonable people. So I expect you’ll want to reply with some other wall of text telling me how bad America is and because America is bad(I agree) that means China isn’t doing anything wrong. But please just don’t, spend your time doing something productive instead.
Not even the UN report called it genocide.
Could things be better? Probably, but shouldn’t Muslim-majority countries be speaking out if there was actual genocide? The fact that they’re defending China instead speaks volumes.
What do you mean “not even the un report”? Like you understand that China is a permanent member of the security Council and one of the most influential (and whiny) members of the organisation. Like would you assume Israel is innocent because the UN havnt called their actions in Palestine a genocide? And there was an independent investigation that did conclude China was commiting genocide by way of forced sterilisation and population control.
Yes they should be if we assume them caring about fellow Muslims is there top, sincere priority, instead of idk securing a better trading relationship with the superpower that funds them instead of bombing them, but if that was a case they would speak out against Iran for what its doing to its citizens after the protests, or any other totalitarian leader of a Muslim country, yet they don’t.
Like even if you do deny it being a genocide, there is undeniable evidence that hundreds of thousands of uyghurs have been detained in the “re-education” camps and Iran doesn’t care about that either. Do you think they would be equally silent if a western country started to detain all its Muslims?
There is a good article about it here if you care to read western news articles that is
https://thediplomat.com/2018/09/irans-careful-approach-to-chinas-uyghur-crackdown/
When did I say “innocent”? Your allegation is “genocide,” which has a very high standard of proof, because of what that entails.
There’s also a world of difference between remaining silent to keep everyone happy and actively defending China’s policies
Your article straight up says it’s the U.S. making that conclusion…
Okay breaking out the pedantry to avoid answering a question. Standard tankie tactic.
Yes or no question. Do you think Israel is commiting genocide in Palestine? If yes, do you think the fact the UN does not consider it a genocide means that it is defacto not genocide?
Okay? The explanation is still the same. Like you’re deadass trying to argue that becausethe ruthless dictator that has put his own citizens to death for wanting basic freedoms is brown nosing their largest trading partner, means there’s no genocide happening.
Like there are people in those countries that are vocally anti-china because of the genocide. They’re just the ones that aren’t on China’s payroll.
And you ignore my point about the internment of Muslims being a fact that China does not dent. So why would Muslim leaders not care about that? If not for the fact that they have political reasons to be on China’s good side?
I don’t know enough about that conflict to allege genocide. I do think Israel should stop occupying the West Bank and Gaza Strip at the bare minimum though. I think alleging genocide is a very serious matter, as it downplays the Holocaust if alleged to something that isn’t.
I wasn’t talking about the U.S.
I don’t intend to praise any actual atrocities — if the allegations in the UN report are true, those things should be condemned. I don’t remember reading in the UN report about that happening though, so please provide a source.
Maybe they genuinely do believe the “re-education” camps are actually a net positive.
Can tankies go 5 minutes without saying “but the US bad too!” Challenge (impossible)
Like I fucking despise the US and everything they represent, but we’re not talking about them.
I brought up the U.S. to ask if you think they’re committing genocide, since they’re actually doing what you’re accusing China of doing, or if genocide only applies to countries you don’t like.
If this is whataboutism, then what do you call bringing up Israel?